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If a character throws a grenade in Shadowrun 4th Ed., what rules are there for another character trying to pick it up and throw it back? Is this covered somewhere in the book? I know it's in SR3, but I couldn't find it in 4th Ed. A page reference would be very handy. Thanks!

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The Arsenal supplement actually has the rule listed on page 163.

Characters with an action available before the grenade explodes may make an Agility + Reaction (3) test to pick up the grenade and throw it back.

If they succeed: Free Agility + Throwing Weapons ranged Attack Test to get rid of the hot potato.

If they fail: The character does not manage to pick up the grenade, and will be at a Range of 0 meters when the grenade detonates.

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Is "Arsenal" a supplement? I only ask because if you clarify your answer and make it more complete, it's more likely to get votes from people who aren't up-to-date on the product line. –  SevenSidedDie Aug 24 '12 at 20:16
    
Arsenal is the weapons supplement and @Kevin Baumberger has the right of it, there is indeed an optional rule there for handling grenade returning there as a Complex Action using Agility+Reaction(3) to execute. –  Runeslinger Aug 25 '12 at 22:26

I did not find a specific entry on returning a thrown grenade in SR4, (or 3rd or 1st) upon review. Everything needed is accounted for in the combat rules, however. An optional rule for this is presented in the SR4 release 'Arsenal' on page 163.

Grenade use is dealt with on p155 of the core book, presenting the scatter table, and noting the time frames for detonation with and without an airburst link, with page references.

From these you can determine how successful an attempt to get to, pick up, and throw a live grenade might be on a case by case basis:

  • A standard grenade will generally explode on the Attacker's Initiative during the next pass (barring GM fiat, or player use of a specifically determined time of detonation)
  • Use of an airburst link will detonate the grenade when it reaches the target so precludes returning it by the target unless something prevents the grenade from travelling its expected distance

  • In most cases, a character intending to return a grenade by hand will need to be able to close the distance to the grenade once it hits and pick it up, or intercept it in flight, and throw it back before the Attacker's next initiative. This may or may not require Movement depending on the scatter results, but will require at least a Simple Action to pick up the grenade (Composure, or Agility+Reaction, etc), and another to throw it (Thrown Weapons).

  • Use of other means to return the grenade without closing the distance to it first will still be limited by the time frame of the grenade's set detonation time

If these steps are too open to interpretation or debate, or faster resolution is desired, the rule in Arsenal (here) will model its stages with one roll which if successful will lead to a thrown weapons roll.

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Thanks. I was hoping that there was an Agility roll to pick up a grenade quickly enough, instead of fumbling it like a hot-potato in their haste to grab it quickly, as there was in 3E. It seems like that isn't the case, though. –  RMorrisey Dec 9 '11 at 15:21
    
I think that would be appropriate, but I might go for a Composure test rather than Agility for the Simple Action of getting the grenade, then Thrown Weapons or Agility to lob it back. I didn't want to include which tests to use as that could be heavily affected by the scene. –  Runeslinger Dec 9 '11 at 21:47

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