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I am not really fond of disciplines with magical effects, like Desert Wind (Shadow Hand is in the same category, but let's face it, it has maneuvers called Shadow Jaunt, Shadow Blink, and something similar to a force choke).

I really like the Iron Heart maneuvers, and it's fluff (martial perfection, etc. etc.), but i have a doubt as to whether trading Desert Wind for Iron Heart would unbalance things.

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Alternativelly, would master of the nine worth taking, for swordsage 15/MoN5, just to get some 9 lvl maneuvers, and some Iron Heart ones? – Khaal Feb 22 '12 at 12:52
If you're a strength based person, why not go warblade? – Brian Ballsun-Stanton Feb 22 '12 at 14:11
Dm does not allow warblade, and the truth is that i really like the sage in swordsage (hate the wannabe magic understanding though). – Khaal Feb 22 '12 at 14:32
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If you swap them, you would disrupt the balance of disciplines between the three base classes (Crusaders, Swordsages and Warblades); it is designed for them to have unique abilities when compared to the others. However, since your DM doesn't allow Warblades and Crusaders don't have Iron Heart you can argue it doesn't really matter much. (It's pretty weird for someone to disallow that one but allow other ToB classes, though. Are you totally sure SS is okay with him? Also check that starting availability of Iron Heart isn't why he banned it in the first place.)

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No, he is okay with it. I believe that he does not like the Warblade (never liked crusader so i didnt bother to tell him to take a look at him) because of the full B.a.B, the Hit Dice and the weapon aptitude/uncanny dodge and battle tree class feats. – Khaal Feb 23 '12 at 0:41
Well, then I stand by what I said. – Yandros Feb 23 '12 at 2:44
Good, thank you. – Khaal Feb 23 '12 at 12:57

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