Take the 2-minute tour ×
Role-playing Games Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for gamemasters and players of tabletop, paper-and-pencil role-playing games. It's 100% free, no registration required.

I'm a newbie DM. It seems that minions in an encounter benefit the PCs more than they benefit me:

  • The Barbarian can kill them for free THP and a Swift Charge (I thought they were supposed to slow down the PCs' advance not speed it up).
  • The Warden can kill them for free THP.
  • The Cleric can kill them for free buffs.
  • The Psion and Wizard can kill tons of them with no difficulty -- increasing the number of minions just increases the encounter's XP without increasing difficulty.

Most of the minions get killed before they can attack. If they attack, they usually miss (minions only target AC and my frontline PCs invested in armor feats). Even if by some chance they hit, damage is pitiful and a crit doesn't help.

So, obviously minions are not meant to be a significant attack force, but on the other hand they are meant to have some function in combat other than to provide buffs to the PCs. What is their purpose? The only use I've ever gotten out of them is (very slightly) slowing down chargers, but I think this is outweighed by the barb getting Swift Charge early in the combat. And occasionally I manage to set up a flank to help out one of the heavy hitters. I've been told to use Aid Another on attacks, but I've never actually been able to set up a situation where that's even possible.

Obviously my tactics need a lot of work, but how should I be placing and using minions?

share|improve this question
    
can you give us party details? –  Brian Ballsun-Stanton Mar 7 '12 at 17:21
    
Level 1 Goliath Barb, Minotaur Warden, Drow Cleric (I know I know), Shardmind Psion, Human Wizard. What other details? –  Snowbody Mar 7 '12 at 17:24
    
@Snowbody with a party that size you may just need more :-). Minions are there so you can throw tens of them at players... –  C. Ross Mar 7 '12 at 17:34
    
I thought 5 was an average-sized party! The last encounter, the Controllers were missing and we had an additional Defender (Paladin) 4 PCs total. 4 minions in the encounter as written. As they were plowing through them I thought about adding more minions but I calculated that that would only DECREASE the threat to the PCs. –  Snowbody Mar 7 '12 at 17:43
    
You got the numbers wrong. For 4 PCs you'd use roughly "4 normal monsters of same level", not "4 monsters of any type". 4 minions are equivalent to a normal monster of the same level. An elite monster is equivalent to 2 normal monsters, and a solo monster is equivalent to 4 or 5 normal monsters of the same level. You should have been using 16 or more minions. –  Adriano Varoli Piazza Jul 17 '12 at 14:24
show 1 more comment

2 Answers 2

up vote 16 down vote accepted

I had this problem at first too. Here are some good uses of minions.

  1. Archers. Long range archers. This was the first effective use of minions I found. Make it so that rushing over to kill the minions is a time investment. Better yet, keep the minions separate from each other so that each individual minion is a time investment.
  2. Terrain. This is a corollary to archers. Minions cost XP. Terrain doesn't. If you put your archer 8 squares away, the PCs can get to him. If you put your minion 8 squares away, in a tree, with a moat, the PCs can't.
  3. Don't use minions for damage. There are a number of minions that invoke penalties just by being present. Wind Stalker for instance slides creatures that start their turn adjacent to it.
  4. Or use them for lots of damage. The elemental spark minions in particular can explode when they're killed to hit a burst of PCs. Position them correctly and the players won't be as interested in killing these guys so quickly.
  5. Use higher level minions. This is counter intuitive since I started out filling up the leftover bits of XP with minions. But investing XP to get some good minions can be worth it. Minions that are a couple levels higher than the players, particularly if they're soldier minions, will be harder to hit and they'll be capable of hitting the players. When I started using minions that were several levels higher than the party, the PCs started assuming that the normal enemies were actually minions because they seemed weaker by comparison.
  6. Misdirection. This relies on 5. If your players don't know which enemies are minions and which aren't you can trick them into wasting their encounters, dailies, and action points to pop minions. Using minions that are more powerful than the NPCs (as in 5) is one way to do this. Another is to throw in one or two unique minions, instead of just tossing 4, 5, or 6 identical guys down there. Give your unique minions good minis and a bit of description. Not only will the minions eat the party's good powers, this will also keep the real boss alive longer to take more actions.
share|improve this answer
5  
+1 I like an idea I had based on your "Misdirection" text - how about a (two hit?) minion dressed up as the boss (who is dressed as a minion?) Evil awesome! –  F. Randall Farmer Mar 7 '12 at 21:16
    
@F.RandallFarmer Very meta, I like it. I feel like that's the sort of thing you should do once the players have seen all your tricks individually, but haven't seen what happens when you apply several tricks at once. –  valadil Mar 7 '12 at 21:22
add comment

Remember that minions are support monsters - not brutes. They are meant to add chaos to the battlefield.

Adding on to Valadil's excellent list:

. 7. [Endless?] Waves of minions. I've had encounters based on timers instead of "kill them all" - Wipe out my first 10 foot soldiers on the road with AOE? The second wave arrives spread out.

. 8. Use two-hit minions - first hit bloodies them, second kills.

. 9. Have the minions provide line-of-site coverage for your ranged-boss.

. 10. Use them to flank, aggressively (double move actions, etc.)

. 11. Non-damage actions: Bull Rush, Grab, etc. Use them to steal player actions/options.

. 12. Have minion death aid/heal the elite/boss, as I mentioned here:

Snilvor, Goblin Emissaryddi (In the DM's Kit adventure)

Triggered Actions

"Die For Me" At-Will

Trigger: A minion ally within Snilvor’s line of sight drops to 0 hit points.

Effect (No Action): Snilvor gains 5 temporary hit points.

share|improve this answer
add comment

Your Answer

 
discard

By posting your answer, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.