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Which of the following scenarios are possible (under suitable fictional circumstances, of course)?

  • Rolling a skill with beginner's luck, helping with a skill
  • Rolling a skill with beginner's luck, helping with a stat
  • Rolling a skill with beginner's luck, helping by beginner's lucking a stat (I doubt this one, personally...)

In the last case I mean something like Abelard is rolling beginner's luck philosopher-wise. Can Heloise help with her beginner's luck philosopher-wise, which amounts to perception?

What about the same questions when forking?

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The First Rule of Help (BWG 36):

Skills may help skills and stats. Stats may help stats. Stats may not help skills. Circles may help Circles (if appropriate). Resources may help Resources.

A beginner's luck roll is a stat test (because you're learning the skill).

  • Rolling beginner's luck, another player helping with a relevant skill: Yes, helping a stat with a skill.
  • Rolling beginner's luck, helping with a stat: Yes, helping a stat with a stat, assuming it makes narrative sense. (The helper may want to make this a beginner's luck roll, depending on whether it is a routine, difficult, or challenging test for them.)
  • Rolling beginner's luck, helping with beginner's luck: Yes, helping a stat with a stat.

For Fields of Related Knowledge, skills can help skills, subject to it making sense (GM arbitrates). Stats and attributes may never FoRK (BWG 37). FoRKs are never relevant for beginner's luck rolls because they are stat rolls.

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I don't think these rules have changed between Revised and Gold. – okeefe Apr 17 '12 at 16:02
And you right in that the rules have not changed. Our poor untrained characters have been without help for no reason at all. I can't recall how this misinterpretation started, unfortunately. – Thanuir Apr 20 '12 at 6:58

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