# Understanding minimal casting cost for area spells with high spell level?

On the specific example of the spell:

Sense Foes - Information; Area; Info

Tells the caster if the subject has hostile intent, and what the degree of hostility is. Can be cast on one person or a whole area. If cast over an area, this spell only detects that someone is hostile, without telling who.

Base cost: 1 (minimum 2).

[Source: GURPS 4th Edition Basic Set - Characters p.245 or GURPS Magic p.45]

The section on Area Spells (B239 or M11) explains this minimum as:

The cost listed for an Area spell is always its “base cost.” The actual cost to cast the spell is equal to its base cost multiplied by the radius of the area of effect in yards (minimum one yard): base cost x1 for a one-yard radius, x2 for a two-yard radius, x3 for a threeyard radius, and so on.

Area spells with a fractional base cost, such as 1/2 or 1/10, cost a minimum of one energy point. A few Area spells specify a minimum cost, which you must always pay, even if it is larger than the base cost multiplied by the desired radius.

If I have a high enough skill in Sense Foes to generally be eligible for reduction to casting cost (B237 or M8), does that apply to the minimum as well?

[...] the cost reduction for high skill only applies to the total cost of the spell.

[Source: GURPS Official FAQ 4.3.3] thanks to @Ian Pugsley

Examples:

Sense Foes cast on an area of 1 yard radius calculates at 1FP,
but is raised to 2FP because of the minimum.


Do i get those 2FP waived if I have a skill of 20 or above?

Sense Foes cast on an area of 3 yards radius calculates at 3FP,
not increased because i't above the minimum.


Will skill 20 reduce my cost to 2FP (the minimum) or to 1FP (the standard high skill bonus)?

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i recall that information spells have their own ranges – Dennis Christian Jun 7 at 10:45
@dennis-christian What does range of information spells got to do with the question? – Yolgie Jun 7 at 10:51
if i recall correctly it is range and area that are replaced, i'll look that up when i'm back home – Dennis Christian Jun 7 at 11:23

This is from p. B236:

Calculate the entire cost for a spell (for instance, by multiplying cost for the size of the subject or the area affected) before applying energy cost reductions for high skill.

You use an area spell's minimum cost to figure what it's total cost is, then you apply your skill-based reductions to that total cost.

So, casting Sense Foes over a 1- or 2-yard area has a total cost of 2FP. That gets reduced to 0 for a Skill 20 caster. Casting it over a 3-yard area costs 3FP, reduced to 1FP.

In other words, "minimum cost" is a rule you use when figuring the total cost of a spell. It doesn't interact directly with the rule for skill-based cost reduction.

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In general, high skill reductions of FP costs of spells are taken off the total cost of the spell. Meaning you'd evaluate all costs of the spell first, then reduce it based on high skill from the end cost - as you suspected, you'd have the 2FP waived at skill 20 for your first example, and reduced to 1FP in your second. The "minimum costs" are the minimum costs for effective area, not the minimum cost for the entire spell.

It isn't directly relevant, but the "total cost" bit is supported by FAQ 4.3.3:

Note that the cost reduction for high skill only applies to the total cost of the spell.

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If you could give me a source for "The "minimum costs" are the minimum costs for effective area, not the minimum cost for the entire spell." I'd imediately accept this. Unfortunately I'm looking for more than 'just' opinions. – Yolgie Apr 26 '12 at 11:40