How does Aid Allies work with Swift Aid?

Question

How does the Swift Aid feat interact with the Aid Allies Order of the Dragon ability? The Swift Aid feat states that you grant your ally either a +1 bonus on his next attack roll or a +1 bonus to his AC, and the Aid Allies ability states that the ally receives a +3 bonus to his armor class, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check.

Does it:

• Simply add a +1 bonus, no additional benefit?
• Work at the full bonus for Aid Allies, granting +3 (or higher)
• Moderate at +2 (or Aid Allies bonus -1)

Is there any specific Paizo ruling on this? If not, is their indication on how it should be adjudicated?

Answer 1

I think the main point of confusion lies with the wording of the Swift Aid feat. While it says:

As a swift action, you can attempt the aid another action

it then immediately follows that with new rules that contradict it

granting your ally...a +1 bonus

I take that as a replacement for the basic +2 bonus for aiding another, not in addition to it. My rule of thumb is that specific cases override general ones. Aid Allies replaces the bonus for all uses of the aid another action, and Swift Aid only replaces the bonus when aiding another as a swift action; so if I were forced to play by rules as written, I would give Swift Aid the final word, and the beneficiary would receive a +1.

Looking at it from the perspective of rules as intended however, it's obvious that Swift Aid was meant as a reduced benefit for a reduced cost, but I see no reason why the two abilities should not work together. Going by the same logic as above, I would still apply Aid Allies first, then Swift Aid. That then leaves the GM to decide how far to reduce the Swift Aid bonus (with the simplest options being a -1 penalty to the bonus, or a x1/2 penalty to the bonus).

Answer 2

I would say by RAW they do not interact. Swift Aid is a special "mini-aid" where you spend a swift action to get a +1; Aid Allies boosts a normal standard action Aid Another to get a higher bonus. The Swift Aid +1 benefit explicitly overrides the normal +2 and whatever you'd get from Aid Allies.

However, as a GM I could be talked into it, as anyone spending character options on suboptimal stuff gets extra leeway in my book.

Answer 3

By RAW they interact according to your second bullet: Swift Aid is buffed to +3.

Note that we're talking about a particular action here: the aid another action.

Swift Aid refers explicitly to this action:

As a swift action, you can attempt the aid another action ..

Aid Allies refers to the same action, and describes a bonus that occurs whenever you use that action:

.. whenever [he] uses the aid another action to assist one of his allies, the ally receives a +3 bonus ..

I can't find anything to suggest Swift Aid is in a special category that would exclude it from Aid Allies applicability.

Answer 4

Bu RAW, the interact surprising well.

Being Aid Another a specific action, whose normal timing is a standard action, the feat and class feature you cited merely modify different aspects of it.

Aid Another has a positioning requirement (you must be able to perform a melee attack vs. a target) and lets you take a standard action to make an attack roll against the target (vs. AC 10). If you hit you either give an ally a +2 untyped bonus to AC (against target's next attack) or a +2 untyped bonus to the first attack roll (against the target). Its duration is up to the beginning of your next turn.

Swift Aid lets you perform and Aid Another action as a swift action. The verb granting in

"Benefit: As a swift action, you can attempt the aid another action, granting your ally either a +1 bonus on his next attack roll or a +1 bonus to his AC."

seems to point out that the +1 bonus replaces the normal +2 bonus.

Aid Allies, as written, grants an additional and untyped bonus to a quality of your choice (AC, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check). It is not clear which saving throw and skill. This is a rider effect on top of what aid another normally allows. Meaning you could choose to aid another granting him a +2 bonus to the next attack roll against the target, and a +3 bonus to his AC; or granting him a +2 bonus to the next attack roll against the target and an additional +3 bonus on all attacks. Not clear what the duration of the Aid Allies feature is (supposedly to the beginning of your next round).

So, the feat and the class feature should interact this way.
You can use aid another as a swift action. If you choose this way, your ally receives only a +1 bonus either to AC vs. the target's first attack, or to the first attack roll he performs against the target. Furthermore, because you used the aid another action, he receives a +3 (stackable) bonus to a quality of your choice (AC, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check).

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However, rules as written probably differs from rules as intended. And this opinion comes from the poor wording choice the designers used. Swift Aid hints to a replacement effect, but do not clearly states so. Aid Allies lacks information outright:

• Is it a replacement effect?
• If no (that is: is a rider effect), which is its duration?
• If yes, what exactly replaces?
  • Is the attack roll bonus only granted for the first attack? Is it granted only against the target?
  • Is the AC bonus bonus only granted for the first attack? Is it granted only for attacks coming from the target?
  • Which saving throw is affected? Is it granted only for attacks coming from the target? Only once or even multiple times in a round?
  • Which skill check is affected? Must it be something related to the target? Only once?

Under the hypothesis it is considered a replacement effect, and focusing only on AC and attack rolls, I'd say that you cannot use two replacement effects simultaneously. So, you either use Aid Allies as standard action (granting a +3 bonus) or use Swift Aid as a swift action (granting a +1 bonus).