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I'm planning an encounter where a mid level party would be assaulted by a a large number of lower level characters. We've all read Tucker's Kobolds, but what makes this kind of encounter actually work? Tactics? Terrain? Annoyance factor?

How can I plan an encounter for a 6th level characters that will truly challenge them using mainly 1st to 3rd level NPCs?

Note: while this question is for Pathfinder, I'm open to more general answers on how to make this sort of thing work.

For those interested, the party assaulted a foreign dignitary's hotel room, in an upper crust district of a large city. I'm preparing for the possibility that they won't be able to talk their way out of it, and are assailed by the city guard.

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What does "CR" mean? –  Joe May 24 '12 at 0:15
@Joe Challenge Rating, its a measure of how difficult/powerful an opponent is. –  C. Ross May 24 '12 at 0:57
Great question! Personally think answers should/could differ highly depending on the RPG experience level of the players. –  Jeroen May 24 '12 at 7:01
Do you have an objective for said city guard by the way; run them out of town, capture, TPK? –  Rob May 24 '12 at 12:37
@Rob 1 - Neutralize the threat. 2 - Prevent damage to property. 3 - Bring law breakers to face justice. –  C. Ross May 24 '12 at 13:18
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Teamwork, resources, environment, and planning.

Defenders have a tremendous advantage. They don't have to carry stuff in. They don't have to scout. And they have reserves.

Defenders with an established structure have all sorts of capital:

  • Human Capital
  • Infrastructure
  • Temporal capital

Human Capital

Human capital is the first trick. An adventuring party is fundamentally limited in the number of people they have. These people have relatively limited resources attached to them. There are expenditures, but the nature of adventuring life is that most resources are dropped into incredibly inefficient gear because of the number of hands available to hold it.

By breaking away from the adventuring life and investing in people, you fundamentally get more actions per round. Now, while at much higher levels a capable tier-1 caster laughs at a horde of underlings, there are many things to be feared from a structure that communicates.

At the end of the day, hiring guards based on their ability to Use Magic Device and issuing them all wands of Magic missle is a huge advantage. You don't need to worry about accuracy, and 4 people with a wand of magic missle are far far cheaper than a high level wand.

More to the point, by having purely-defensive people in place and allocating them their own resources for defense means that you don't even need to worry about defensive measures for your offensive folks.

What's even better is that these resources sit around. From the relative cost scales of higher-level gear... if you need to use these resources, you'll probably capture more than their value from the idiots you're using them against.

As a means of insurance, having spells to take care most of the more common problems (adventurers being top of the list) you can amortize the risk and therefore the cost of adventurers over weeks and months, instead of having to pay for the acute cost of repairs.

From a technical point of view, you want to invest in level 1 stuff for most of your mooks. One shot potions, poisons, and wands are absolutely fantastic for this sort of thing. They sit around until they're needed, and there's no worry of "should I save it for later."

Details on loadout:

  • Wand of Magic Missle
  • More


Infrastructure is a kind of investment that is nominally impossible or not particularly useful for adventurers. There are different roles for structure, but protection and subdual is the critical aspect here.

The critical thing here is to allow them an "out" so that they aren't forced onto deadly ground. Instead, the architecture should make it harder to go to important places and easier to go to exterior places.

Of course, these exterior places, not being frequented by the public, can have various man-traps (sally ports and whatnot) to thereby contain adventurers in a safe (to the infrastructure) location for handling. But giving them an escape route into this area is critical so that they don't stick around and damage important bits.

Therefore, infrastructure is something that can take as muh money as you want to put into it, and will repay the hotel handsomely.

Features of infrastructure are a function of the role that you want the infrastructure to play

Roles of infrastructure

  • Client Protection
  • Aggression channeling
  • Disturbance containment

Temporal capital

There are two types of temporal capital. Planning and the action economy. The greatest luxury that your environment will have is the ability to have a very short OODA loop. With a plan, the reactions of the opposition will get inside the adventurer's OODA loop leaving them with the feeling that they just need to Dii dii mao! because things are simply moving too quickly and the opponents are too well organized.

By having quick reaction forces in place with plans and alert signals, the hotel will completely violate the adventurers OODA loop and social construction of "dungeon." (as the idea of dungeon does not have mutually reinforcing and escalating waves to force people along a desired path. Because fairness.)

Temporal investments

  • Signals
  • Plays
  • Graduated response
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Work in progress. –  Brian Ballsun-Stanton May 24 '12 at 0:54
Admit it, you were working on this before I posted it. –  C. Ross May 24 '12 at 0:57
What's an 'OODA loop,' and how does one 'dii dii mao?' –  GMJoe May 24 '12 at 2:44
will linkify. OODA loop is boyd's action-decision model for air combat, extended to any combat scenario. Dii dii mao is the us military's transliteration of the vietnamese "Run! Run now!" –  Brian Ballsun-Stanton May 24 '12 at 3:00
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Use the maxims of a party against them;

  • Hit them from surprise. The guards attack the party when they're asleep, when half of them are out shopping ("Bob didn't come back from the alchemist, and Fred is still at the armourers...")
  • Split the party up (Drop a portcullis between them as they go through a gate, roll a wagon between them, use the 1st level mist spell so they can't see anything)
  • Target the healer (Penny Arcade has it right)
  • Block their escape routes (Directions that lead down a dead end, vehicles in the way, blocked doors)
  • Drug them (The tavern keeper slips something in their drink while they're resting, poison darts)
  • Use their allies ("This note says they have your mother Bob, that she's begging you you to turn yourself in")
  • Stun them with sheer numbers (HOW many guards are outside the building?)
  • Make the party fight itself (Charm, Offer one of the party a get out in they turn in the others "It's your only option to survive")
  • I am the god of hellfire (Burn them, burn them good; get them in an expendable building over a tempting job offer; nail the building shut (or hold portal it) and BURN the place down, smoke, flames, arrows waiting for them if they try to get out... nasty nasty)

And low level doesn't mean that spells can't help of course; there's plenty of really nice low level spells to buff the guards and scare the hell out of the party; obviously with a level difference you want to choose ones that don't give the party a saving throw as they'll make that save pretty often; Here are some suggestions from first level:

Cleric spells:

  • Murderous Command A really nasty spell to spam into the party, only takes one failed save...

  • Ray of Exhaustion The beauty of this spell is even if they save, they are still Fatigued

  • Bless Target is caster and All Allies within 50 feet, even at first level this spell is a no-brainer for a host of guards.

  • Summon Monster After all, the guards would rather NOT die; this ups the odds and brings them in some variety for no-pain; back to the burning building again, they can just be summoned inside the building with the panicking party!

Wizard/Sorcerer spells:

  • Hold Portal Medium range means they can't duck out of doors even if they find them.

  • Grease They fighting in a confined area? Oh they'll love you for this one.

  • True Strike Give an elven wizard a bow or anyone a crossbow; their AC really won't matter any more, great Ambush starter!

  • Charm person Massive long duration and again an easy one to spam in and turn the tide of battle.

  • Ray of Enfeeblement Low duration but even saving it gives half effect; this will really peeve the fighters.

And useful low-level magic items that guards could typically use:

  • Thunderstones: A great way to mess up the mage and slow down the whole party; DC15 fortitude or -4 initiative and 20% chance to miscast.

  • Tanglefoot bags: Great crowd control, and even with a successful save the character can only move at half speed.

  • Splash damage weapons: (acid, fire) Everyone takes damage so casters need to make concentration checks to cast.

That should give a few things at least to keep them busy :)

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yeah, I am well known for making my leader types smarter and the pack of mooks harder to beat because of it. I love most of these. Love the fire comments. I am also known for springing secondary ambushes, attacking from medium distance with missles from the side from behind a pit or something, once they are already in combat. and be aware that some alignments will sacrifice pawns to lure the pcs into a good position. Rob C once desribed how he had a bunch of PCs play a group of guards who had to fight higher power PCs, and they come up with tons of ingenious tricks. –  LordVreeg May 24 '12 at 23:18
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The key is to run the NPCs or low level monsters with a brain (assuming they have one, of course). They're not just sitting there waiting to be attacked. Ask yourself - if the PCs were in the NPC's shoes, what would they do? They'd set up traps, strategies, lies, etc. - all for the purpose of succeeding at their task and surviving.

If you ever want a good example of this, have someone play the NPCs as their characters. I had a GM that would do this occasionally when friends would be visiting. Instead of giving them a character, he'd let them run some of the monsters we were fighting. We hated it because inevitably it meant that the NPCs would be played with the goal of actually winning and surviving, rather than just to be fodder for the players to hack down. Monsters that normally would give us little trouble suddenly became very difficult to overcome. Any and all concern for the PCs safety that the GM might have shown went out the window.

So in your case, maybe the town guard might not confront the PCs. Perhaps they just let them think they talked their way out of it, follow them back to the inn they are staying at, and hit them with overwhelming force when they arent expecting it. Just because an NPC is first level doesnt mean they are stupid :-)

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if these are guys that would be working and training together give them a team work feat or two to keep the fight interesting

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Kerri, please amplify this into a complete answer. Can you give us examples? –  Brian Ballsun-Stanton Apr 10 at 13:54
Kerri, can you elaborate on what you mean by a team work feat? I've actually never heard of them. What do they do? Why do they help the OP? Are they from a specific sourcebook? –  IgneusJotunn Apr 10 at 21:41
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