How do you get your players to realise roleplaying isn't a videogame?

Question

One curse I've had while playing and in particular while GMing, is that one group of players I have is stuck in the mindset that things are laid out, one after another, in linear fashion for them to go through. So, if for example, I make special mention of some critters out of place and behaving oddly, and then other relations like seemingly domestic versions of those critters in another town. Most people get the idea and realise there's something to investigate, something else going on behind the scenes. This one group, however, after all the setup, asks 'So where's the main monster lair?' of one of the NPCs. Totally stuck on this go kill boss monster get reward train and seemingly unable to grasp that he can take any action, he's not limited to north, east, south, west, open treasure chest, grab loot, etc.

Do any of you have tips on how to jar these players into actually playing and pretending they're in the situation?

Answer 1

Lots of answers to the question but I'd make the suggestion... Slowly. Keep in mind that the goal of a game master is to help everyone have fun. To these players fun may be a World of Warcraft-style dungeon crawl with boss fights. Instead of fighting that directly, run with it; only add a few twists and turns along the way. Allow them to come to the conclusion on their own that their methods, while effective, could have been more efficient if handled less directly.

The way I see it, if my players aren't interested in my layers of intrigue, then I must not have made things interesting enough. After all, even in video games, I pay attention to those with interesting stories. It's only when I'm bored that I scroll to the bottom and say, "Okay so I have to collect 10 badger ears."

Answer 2

You could give the players a situation where killing everything in the main monster lair is counter-productive.

In most systems, there are skills other than combat. Give the players more challenges related to skills where they have to think their way through it. A political puzzle, murder mystery, or something of the sort where they really have to use critical thinking skills and come up with their own solution.

Answer 3

That style of play can be fun, so maybe that's what they enjoy. There may just be an incompatibility in what you want out of the game, and that's worth discussing with them.

If they are open to what you want, maybe try presenting situations where they have to make difficult choices for which there is no clear, objective answer.

Answer 4

One thing is to keep in mind that, as GM, you have "the power," so to speak. A good way to introduce the "combat doesn't always work" option is to create situations that combat simply isn't an option then go out of your way to make it as fun and as interesting as possible. You'll find the players will more often or not, accept the concept once they see its not as "boring" as they've thought or heard.

Sprinkle non-snarky comparisons between Console RPGs and PnP RPGs, liberally and after a bit, you'll have an idea of who's going to "get it" and who isn't.

Answer 5

Talk to them about it. Do this at the first occasion, plain and friendly. You probably have different expectations, so you need to sort it out and find a style of play you all like. This may take some trial & error through more than a few one-shot games, probably with different Systems. But the key is to talk about it.

Answer 6

Several good solutions come to mind.

• have them define a character goal (or 3)... but don't put any direct reference to that. If they take an action that would help achieve it, immediately reward it.
• Reward failure with as many experience points as success...
• include their own banter and ideas into play; if they start talking about there being a balrukh behind "door X", give them one. Perhaps a small one.
• Don't use the classic trope of resurrecting dead PC's - it's been overdone in Computer Games. No "lives"...
• If they go "off the adventure," give them bonus XP.

Alternatively, have them play a game where the PC's frame the scenes, such as Burning Empires. You give each of them (and yourself) a budget of scenes to frame... and let them say who is there, and what the scene is about. Then run with it....

Answer 7

Get them to play better video games. Lots of video games are not linear rollercoasters.

Tell them that there are acheivements. Every session write down 10 things (related to the adventure at hand) on nifty businesscards that they can do all titled,

Achievement - poked a cow 10 times

Achievement - Saved the princess

Achievement - Haggled a Shopkeeper into cost pricing.

Videogames are not the problem, as it says in a favorite oldie of mine,

"What we have here is a failure to ... communicate"

Answer 8

First thing to do is look at the system you're playing. If the system is 90% about combat, your are going to get 90% combat related play. I do a lot of advising on setting and system design, and many GMs don't realize the cause and effect involved. If 90% of the skills and abilities of the PCs are based on one area of an RPG (e.g., Combat, exploration, social, problem solving), don't expect the game to go elsewhere.

Secondly, if your PCs see things through a certain lens, change the lens OBVIOUSLY a few times to make them see things in a diffrent way. If they are linear thinkers now, give them a few very clearly multiple choice scenarios WITHOUT a traditional end.

Thirdly, reward Roleplaying tangibly. I do this in two ways, with success bonuses to a task and with session-end Roleplay EXP awards. Anytime a PC declares an action, then roleplays it wel, I normally tack on a +05% to +10% to the success. I am also know for dropping in a -5% when a Player doesn't even go through the motions. You'll be amazed at how implementing this changes things. And the end of night awards add up as well, and are good reminders with an excellent 'recency' effect (last thing the PCs get every night...stronger reminder). If the PCs start vying and arguing about who deserves these, you've won.

This is hopefully a good start.

Answer 9

Many PCs get into this because of the current emphasis on linear, plot-driven games. It may be worthwhile to try weaning them off of this by using hybrids of linear plots and sandboxes.

One useful hybrid is the "home base" concept. The PCs have a home base with a variety of interesting, nearby locations to explore. The relevant resources of the home base are laid out beforehand so PCs can take stock of what they'll have available. There is some diffuse or abstract threat to the home base, and they must solve the problem somehow.

For example, in an OpenQuest game I'm currently running, the PCs' home base is the medieval village of Breakwood. The problem is that its granary has recently burnt down in an accident, and without either grain or money to buy food with, the villagers are going to starve. I planned a few leads on possible ways to make money or find grain, and let them go out to save the day.

This is close enough to a linear game for people used to that style, but is actually part sandbox, part linear. This will hopefully prevent the game from becoming a series of fetch-quests assigned by a jive-talking wizard.

Answer 10

• React with realistic responses that the NPCs would give. "Where's the monster lair?" "What? I don't know and I don't care to know."
• Prompt them frequently with "What do you do?" rather than explaining how they should solve a situation. If they get to a cliff, explain that there's a cliff and don't explain anything more, let them decide to use rope or to go around or whatever solution. Encourage non-standard solutions.