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I've read How Does the Master Craftsman feat work? but I'm having difficulty with some of it.

I want to make sure I'm doing this right. Let's say I have a rogue who wants to craft wondrous items.

  • At level 5 he takes master craftsman (requires minimum of 5 ranks in craft)
  • At level 7 he takes craft wondrous item (next possible feat level)
  • He wants to craft a Belt of Incredible Dexterity +2

    Construction Requirements
    Craft Wondrous Item, Cat's Grace; Cost 2,000 gp (+2), 8,000 gp (+4), 18,000 gp (+6)

  • First he pays the 2,000 gp

  • Then we assume 4 days have passed (1d/1,000gp of market price)
  • Then he rolls his check to see if he suceeded:

    1d20 + 7 (maxed out craft) + 2 (master craftsmen) + 3 (misc modifier for being a class skill) + 2 (intelligence modifier) = 1d20 + 14

  • His DC is

    5 + 8 (caster level of item) + 5 (for not being able to cast cat's grace) = 18

  • It is reasonable that this character can 'take 10' for a roll of 24 vs DC 18 = success


  1. Are all of these calculations correct?
  2. Does a +4 or +6 item just costing more money and time? (same CL)
  3. As a rogue can I use a scroll to help lower a DC level and use a Use Magic Device check for a success on the scroll use
  4. Can I use a wizard friend to cast the spell to lower the DC?
  5. Does that make the earliest level for a non caster 7 to craft magical items?
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Would anyone who understands Pathfinder items & crafting care to fix up the quote describing the belt? It appears to have redundancy in price and doesn't match up to the D20PFSRD page - I wonder if it might be simultaneously describing the bought & crafted versions. –  doppelgreener Jan 12 at 4:24
    
Yes, I believe it is describing the price (market value) and the cost (to craft) which is equal to half the market value. –  Nupraptor Jan 12 at 5:36
    
Fixed the quote by removing the cost, as it doesn't appear relevant. –  ladenedge Jan 14 at 21:33
    
possible duplicate of How does the Master Craftsman feat work? –  DuckTapeAl Feb 28 at 6:37

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It is reasonable that this character can 'take 10' for a roll

Yes you can always take 10 when not in combat or your life is not in danger.

Are all of these calculations correct?

They seem to be in order.

Does a +4 or +6 item just costing more money and time? (same CL)

In the case of belts / headbands, this seems to be the case. Note that Weapons and Armor have different rules (3x modifier).

Can I use a scroll? Can I use a Wizard friend?

Take a look at the Cooperative Crafting text here. The basic answer is yes.

The details are:

  1. They must be present for the whole time.
  2. They are casting that spell each day during the process.
  3. If they are an NPC, they are charging each day.

Clearly if you wanted to do this with scrolls, you could, but you would need to expend the scroll every day you are crafting. At 150gp * 4 days, that's pretty expensive.

Does that make the earliest level for a non caster 7 to craft magical items?

  • There are classes with odd bonus feat progressions such that you could get two feats at level 5 and spend them both. For example, the Psychic Warrior has this.
  • I guess you could also "not take" a feat at 3rd level and then spend them both at 5th level. I'm not sure if there are explicit prohibitions against this.
  • There's also the concept of "re-training" of feats as allowed by some DMs (see comments)
  • In general 7th level is the minimum for magical crafting without magical crafting abilities.
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I know 3.5 explicitly said you had to take feats the level you got them, you couldn't save them. Almost certainly is stated somewhere in Pathfinder too, not to mention its implied by the way you get them ("*At Xth level, *) –  KRyan Jan 14 at 5:14
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@KRyan However, you can take a throwaway feat at 3 and retrain it at 5, assuming your DM is using the retraining rules. You don't have to retrain a feat into something you could have taken at that level; once you've taken the feat you can basically ignore which level you got it at, so you can get two level 5 feats by retraining a level 1 or 3 feat. –  Yamikuronue Jan 14 at 17:30

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