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I've been tinkering around with the idea of getting my family, just the 3 of us (son age 11) into table top rpgs. A few weeks back I purchased Pathfinders Adventure Card game, thinking it would be a good starting place. We all love it, so I just purchased the Pathfinders Beginners Box, along with the Core Rule Book.

So I have a few questions on where to go from here.

  1. I have zero experience playing these types of games. There's a local store that does a weekly D&D 4E, would going to this be helpful or make it more confusing? (as I realize they are 2 different styles of play)

  2. Am I going to need more people to play/can only 2 of us play while 1 has to be the GM?

  3. Can we create characters from the Core Rule Book (more options) and use them starting off with the Beginners Box campaign?

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You can do this. It's been many, many years, but I taught myself and some friends to play Basic D&D from the box back in the 80s. I didn't even find other D&D players in my area for over a year after. This isn't very different.

1) You've invested in Pathfinder... if you go play 4E, you'll find yourself investing in that, as the games aren't compatible. 4E is fun combat-wise, but considering that it's planned obsolete (the next generation game is in playtest and won't be compatible), and that it's hard to manage characters beyond a few levels without a software subscription, I'd stick to Pathfinder. (Specifically, I have a shelf full of 4E stuff which I haven't played in awhile. The family's switching over to Pathfinder for the above reasons.)

But... that doesn't mean you can't find other Pathfinder players to play with if you want someone to teach you the game. Ask around. There might be people who don't currently play Pathfinder, but have and would be willing to pull together a game to teach others.

2) I struggle with this myself. My son's 13, and we've played RPGs starting around 10 years, and a threesome has always been slightly problematic. You'll have less trouble with Pathfinder than 4E... 4E is heavily dependent on the party filling four "core" roles and having fewer than four characters is a challenge.

But this is certainly something you can do... the primary thing to keep in mind is that most published adventures are going to be oriented toward 4-6 characters, and dropping down to two characters makes things tricky. I don't advocate players running multiple characters... it interferes with roleplay (the "pretending to be your character in a story" part) and can get confusing. So you'll want to scale back the encounters (Challenge Rating) to be appropriate to the characters' level. Reducing the number and/or hit-points of monsters, or finding a weaker (but appropriate to the story) monster if you want to keep numbers up (kobolds instead of goblins, rats instead of dire rats, etc). There are charts in the rulebook that help choose CR for encounters.

When you're past the learning stage, look at multi-classing to cope with ability gaps... if you need the abilities of a fighter, wizard, cleric, and rogue, then a fighter/rogue and wizard/cleric might fit the bill. Advancement in abilities will be slow this way... a fighter/rogue with six levels will only have the abilities of a 3rd level fighter and 3rd level rogue. You may need to ramp up the XP rewards if advancement is too slow, and encounters probably need adjusted to equal the character's highest class level and not the total level. (Skimming the rules, I don't see how multi-class advancement is supposed to work. I'm assuming you can bounce back and forth leveling up in either one at each level.)

3) My recommendation is to set the Core Rulebook aside and use just the Beginner's Box until you have the basics down. The rules aren't exactly the same, but fewer options will actually make things easier to learn. That Core Rulebook is a lot to absorb.

When you've got the basics down, pull out the Core Rulebook and either start over (create new characters from scratch), or revamp your existing characters based on options that weren't available (rebuild them according to the main rules). If someone really wants to play a race or class not in the Beginner's Box, you might allow that... but I would encourage sticking to the Box and then starting over with the characters you really wanted when you shift to the Core Rulebook. Using sample characters in the Beginner's Box adventure might help with that transition... you don't feel so much like you're abandoning something you've invested in.


Overall... don't get bogged down in rules detail. If a rule is optional, skip it until you understand the rules well. If the rules start to seem too complicated, just hand-wave it and decide what happens... you can study the rules and understand the "right" way to do it later. (Hint: The "right" way is actually the way that's most fun, regardless of what the rules say.)

Remember that you're playing out a story and not just rolling dice to see how many goblin heads you smash. Have fun being the characters, ham it up a little and have a good laugh.


Edit:

Look up the Basic Paths series from Oone Games. (DriveThru RPG, Paizo.com, etc. They're downloadable PDF adventures.)

I haven't tried these, but I'm going to give the first one to my son, who really wants to run a game. The Basic Paths series is a set of adventures designed for beginning gamemasters. They're for Pathfinder, clearly delineate options for using Beginner's Box or full Core rules, and have lots of tips for the GM on how to present and run the adventure.

0one Games produces quality stuff (I've bought several of their map products) and these get good reviews. This looks like the kind of thing that would really be useful to someone learning the game without a mentor.

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Something I'd like to add to this - even when you decide to introduce the Core rulebook, you don't have to do it all at once. Phase it in gradually, pick some new rules each session (such as Attacks of Opportunity), and don't be afraid not to use the whole thing. Some rules just don't work for all groups, so if you find the game played better without that rule, roll it back and take it out again. –  Matt Thomason Feb 15 at 2:56
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  1. Players at the store have probably played pathfinder (or D&D 3.5, which pathfinder was based off of), and could probably give you advice.

  2. No, you don't need more people (I play in a group of 3, including myself), but more people can help. As Colin D said, all you would have to do is change the difficulty of the campaign to fit better with your smaller sized group.

  3. Yes, you can create characters with the core rule book. (That's how I've always created my characters).

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