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The Redemption (Story) feat says if you've lost your class feature by breaking your code, you can add a +1 bonus as an immediate action to the result of an ability check, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check you have just rolled by becoming shaken for 1 minute.

Mechanically: Do I get that right that you can use that ability multiple times per day at the cost of becoming shaken each time? Could you use the ability again while still shaken, to reduce the penalty from being shaken to -1 instead of -2?

Fluff: What exactly is causing the being shaken? Fear of failing again? How would I role-play this?

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Correct, there is no explicit, or implied, limit to the feat. But shaken can/does become fear when applied more than once. (More below)

Mechanically: Shaken last 10 rounds, renewing it each round is a bad idea (sea below)

Fluff : Anxiety over further dishonoring yourself. (More below)

Benefit: As an immediate action, you can add a +1 bonus to the result of an ability check, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check you have just rolled by becoming shaken for 1 minute. You must choose before the result is revealed.


Mechanically

(Reminder : You are shaken for one minute after using this. Combat rounds are 6 seconds, you are shaken for 10 rounds after using this.)

  • Technically becoming shaken while still shaken will make you fearful. (Or, at least make you save vs being fearful.

"Becoming Even more Fearful" says: (PF Core p.563)

Fear effects are cumulative. A shaken character who is made shaken again becomes frightened, and a shaken character who is made frightened becomes panicked instead. A frightened character who is made shaken or frightened becomes panicked instead.

Now, to answer... this is how I'm parsing it because of the... poor wording:

  • You can use this ability multiple times, therefore renewing the shaken condition each time (not stacking it). All to try and "improve" one roll to a -1 modifier, but that's unwise. You're making every attack roll, saving throw, skill check, and ability check at a -2. Meanwhile that feat is only helping you reduce one roll's penalty to a -1.
  • You apply the +1 bonus to your roll immediately (immediate action).
  • Your shaken penalties are applied for any further results rolled after this particular roll is resolved.

Fluff

By the description of the feat's goal you are trying to prove your worthiness in order to get your abilities back. So in fighting "challenging" foes you should be concerned about not proving your worthiness.

Fear of failing, or of further betraying your code of honor, are legitimate reasons to give your character anxiety when paired up against significant opposition (or insignificant, too, an unworthy challenge can sometimes be seen as having no honor).

(Emphasis mine)

Goal: Regain any lost class features and complete a quest to prove your worth. In the course of completing this quest, you must decisively defeat a challenging foe. The quest should relate in some fashion to the transgression that removed your class abilities or led to you being disgraced.

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@HeyICanChan : That's something I was unclear about as well. I erred on the side of caution since it was self-inflicted (and, really, the debuff outweighs the single bonus by a large margin). –  Squish Mar 2 at 16:03
    
@HeyICanChan : I found it. "Becoming more fearful" : Yes they stack into larger fer effects. But I've seen abilities that specify otherwise. So I guess it depends on whether you can parse this as "specifically set to shaken" or "shaken stacking to fearful". –  Squish Mar 2 at 16:10
    
@HeyICanChan : There is, I just updated the post with the link to "Becoming Even more Fearful". It gives the typical progression of shaken, fear and panicked. –  Squish Mar 2 at 16:22

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