# Can a Swordsage become a Lich?

Could a Swordsage become a Lich, using the standard Lich template in the MM? The description says "undead spellcaster," but the template itself does not specify any requirements with regards to spellcasting.

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To facilitate more precise answers: what makes you think they could? – Ernir Apr 14 '14 at 14:47

The lich template requires that you create a phylactery (see "The Lich's Phylactery" in the d20 SRD entry for Lich).

The phylactery requires Craft Wondrous Items, the ability to cast spells, and a caster level of 11th or higher.

A swordsage cannot cast spells and does not have a caster level, and therefore cannot create the phylactery and cannot become a lich.

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herm... Can't you buy it? – Kahler Apr 14 '14 at 16:48
@Kahler No, a lich is required to make his or her own person phylactery. The creation of the phylactery is an integral part of the process. – KRyan Apr 14 '14 at 17:05
Tanks, I See. Something like a wizard trying to win a sword-fight-championship without using magic. He wants the standard Lich, so, standard rules. – Kahler Apr 14 '14 at 17:09

While you're right that the template doesn't mention the necessity of spellcasting, creating the lich's phylactery does, so a swordsage lich exists...

# Only via Adaptation as a Single-classed Character

In the Swordsage section under the heading Adaptation there's the following text

If you prefer, you could instead emphasize the magical talents of the swordsage by giving the swordsage the ability to learn arcane spells in place of maneuvers of equivalent level. In general, spells from the schools of abjuration, evocation, and transmutation are most appropriate for a swordsage of this type, especially spells with a range of personal or touch. The arcane spell is “cast” as if it were a martial maneuver. In this case, you should remove the class’s light armor proficiency and reduce the swordsage’s Hit Die to d6. (ToB 166)

But these aren't rules. This isn't even a variant like those from Unearthed Arcana. It reads like Here's an idea! from the author, and that idea isn't formulated very carefully. Going solely by the vague description above the magical swordsage has the potential to break many campaigns, especially if given free reign to pick his own spells from all the game's published spells, even if those spells are only the Range: Touch or Range: Personal spells from the abjuration, evocation, and transmutation schools.

That said, there is literally no more official information about the magical swordsage. If magical swordsages exists in the campaign in which you're playing, the DM crafted the specifics (and, one hopes, crafted them carefully or already has in place a strong gentlemen's agreement), making the whole endeavor house rules.

## But Opportunities Abound for Playing an Undead Swordsage

Many undead templates allow the creature to keep its class abilities (e.g. vampire), and other undead can clearly have class levels (e.g. mummy). A swordsage could, through a convoluted series of events, end up as a sepulchral thief (Ci 133-6), which is like a lich but available to sneaky non-spellcasters.

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At any readers: please, please, please do not try to use the arcane-swordsage suggestion as rules. It's not and if you let an arcane-swordsage use any personal/touch-range abjurations, evocations, and transmutations he likes, he will almost definitely break your game. It's an idea, and one that needs specific fleshing out (particularly defining a specific spell list). – KRyan Apr 14 '14 at 16:35

## What Do You Want From This?

There is a particularly unformed swordsage 'variant' presented as a suggestion in ToB called the 'Arcane Swordsage', who replaces maneuvers with spells. Given the fact there is almost no detail on that whatsoever, you could rule that to have a Caster Level, and therefore take Craft Wondrous Item, and at level 11, perform the ceremony to become a Lich.

I'm not sure why you want to, though? This seems like the sort of thing that is best handled by fiat or houserules for story reasons.

By RAW there is no way to make a pure swordsage become a Lich, as the Arcane Swordsage has no definite rules whatsoever.

A Swordsage could dip a casting class, take Practiced Caster three times, and take the appropriate feat, but at that point, why not just become a Necropolitan or a Grave Ghoul or hell, a Sword Wraith?

If you want an undead oriental warrior who keeps 'coming back', get the DM to okay that specifically. Liches have a lot of baggage. Undead returning warrior sounds like LA+2 to me. Give him a funky paralyzing gaze attack and call it LA 3.

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You can't take Practiced Caster more than once per class. – Zachiel Apr 14 '14 at 21:32