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In Pathfinder, I seem to recall a specific type of undergarment beneath armor increases AC by one. It is not the armored kilt, and it does not increase armor penalty. From what I recall it's a mundane item that's some variant of silk. Anyone recall the type of garment and the source?

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While I'm not overly familiar with Pathfinder's equipment section, the real world term for the padding normally worn under armor is "Gambeson". –  aramis May 17 '14 at 5:39
I've only seen those in 3.5 (races of the wild?), not PF. –  starwed May 17 '14 at 6:53
I'd just like to point that that it is totally fine and acceptable to write and accept your own answer. I see in the comments below you've found the shirt you were looking for, so it would be beneficial to do so to close the question. :) –  Jason_c_o May 21 '14 at 16:40
But, not as a Pathfinder item. Anyone know of a Paizo-sourced equivalent? –  K7AAY May 21 '14 at 18:11

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The armored kilt can be added atop other armor to increase the AC by 1; it also makes the armor one type heavier. See the Armor section of the d20PFSRD for more. It was first published in Adventurer's Armory.

Some people for some reason make a mistaken assumption that the haramaki can be stacked with other armor; it cannot. Same thing with the Silken Ceremonial Armor, which while it may be worn over other armor, says explicitly:

Used for ceremonial displays or occasionally worn (albeit with no additional benefit) over heavier armor, these robes consist of several layers of cloth and an outer layer of silk intricately woven with gold brocade designs and covered with metal studs.

It's possible you are thinking about this previous question here about using ceremonial silk with a kilt for the +2 AC total: Does this armor set work RAW?

There's the aranea silk special material that gives some DR under armor, but that's third-party cheese.

Depending on how vague your recollection is, the Amulet of Natural Armor is the most usual thing that can actually stack with armor.

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Ah. That's not in Pathfinder. It's also not +1 AC. But I'm glad you've answered your own question, it was a bit of a guessing game for the rest of us. –  mxyzplk May 20 '14 at 0:40
@K7AAY Perhaps you could write (and accept) your own answer in order to close the question? –  Jason_c_o May 21 '14 at 16:38
From the DnD 3.5 RACES OF STONE, pg. 160: An earthsilk jersey retains the fibers’ natural toughness, providing its wearer with damage reduction 1/slashing or bludgeoning. It may be worn under another type of armor. - - Is there a Pathfinder equivalent in any Paizo source? –  K7AAY May 21 '14 at 18:10
@K7AAY No. The closest thing is the "aranea silk" third party option. –  mxyzplk May 21 '14 at 18:40

It might be the Snakeskin Tunic. It's a Chest slot magic item.

A snakeskin tunic is a tight, form-fitting shirt crafted from the scales of a giant snake.

When worn, it grants a +1 armor bonus to AC, a +2 enhancement bonus to Dexterity, and a +2 resistance bonus on saving throws against poison.

(Emphasis mine)

Armour and Chest slots are different in Pathfinder, so you could wear the shirt under (or over) a piece of armour, but unfortunately you couldn't benefit from both at the same time. At least in terms of the bonus to AC.

Each type of armor grants an armor bonus to Armor Class. The armor bonus from a suit of armor doesn't stack with other effects or items that grant an armor bonus. Source

Armour, whether enchanted or not, grants an armour bonus to AC. This means that you would only benefit from the greater of the two bonuses (probably the armour, as the shirt only provides +1) as they do not stack. You would still gain the bonus to dexterity and saving throws against poison.

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While the community welcomes all users to use their preferred regional spellings of words (e.g. piece of armour, Armour, whether enchanted or not), it is suggested that for technical game-terms, matching the rules' spelling is a good idea (e.g. armor bonus, Armor slot). See Meta discussion. –  KRyan May 17 '14 at 12:46
@KRyan I honestly don't see the difference it makes. Its the same word. –  Jason_c_o May 17 '14 at 18:06
@KRyan That meta post does suggest that there might be an advantage to using the rules' spelling for technical terms, but only in an offhanded way tangential to its main point about not needing to pick a particular regions' spelling as standard; As such, the upvotes for that answer don't necessarily represent agreement that using the manuals' spelling for technical terms should be adopted as site policy. tl;dr: I think you're reading too much into too little. –  GMJoe May 19 '14 at 6:15

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