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Say I have a level 3 lightfoot halfling rogue fighting an ogre. Can I move 10 feet into the space of an ogre, use cunning action to hide, hit It with sneak attack (in its groin?), and then move out from its space, all in one turn?

A good answer should include a reference on how to know if the rogue is obscured by the ogre or not.

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Technically no. Fifth Edition D&D does not have a concept of facing. So creatures are assumed to be able to see in all directions freely. This would include directly under themselves.

The rules do not allow for creatures to block line of sight, so a creature certainly can't block its own line of sight with its own body. So as far as being obscured by the ogre, that's not possible in RAW 5E.

That said, if I was DMing this game, I'd allow it.


A note about sharing spaces and the justification of facing as an issue here (from comments.)

While the halfling probably can't share the space with the Ogre, the rules do allow the character to break up their movement. Does that mean you can attack/hide in the middle of a movement through the Ogre's space? Could you jump and fire over a short wall? I don't think these are adequately addressed in the rules.

The reason facing matters is that you can't hide from a creature when you are in plain sight of that creature. If you can't be behind a creature, what in the rules says you can be under them and therefore out of view?

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Why would you allow that, especially since in the last paragraph you explain why it makes no sense? –  Lohoris Jul 7 at 19:48
    
@Lohoris Because it is awesome sounding and I personally don't care about the rules as written. I'll house-rule the hell out of my own game. –  DampeS8N Jul 7 at 19:55
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@GMNoob & others: Seeing is what matters, which is why the rules require an enemy to be distracted before you can hide in combat, and why it says "usually" you can't. So without a distraction, the ogre still knows where you are. To hide you need to not be seen, so to hide between its legs, you have to slip in there without being seen to do so, i.e., when it's distracted. –  SevenSidedDie Jul 7 at 20:57

The rule for the Halfling (Lightfoot subrace) ability is as follows on Page 17 of the Basic D&D PDF.

Naturally Stealthy. You can attempt to hide even when you are obscured only by a creature that is at least one size larger than you.

Reading the Hiding rule on Page 60 with find this.

You can’t hide from a creature that can see you, and if you make noise (such as shouting a warning or knocking over a vase), you give away your position

While a halfling can run underneath an Ogre and try to hide it won't work against the Ogre as all the thing has to do peer between its legs and it will see the halfling. Since combat rounds are six seconds and there is little in the way of facing rules in the game this effectively means that the halfling will be spotted by the ogre as nothing obscures the ogre view of the halfling.

Unless you rule that the ogre is so bulky that it can't see between it legs. In which case any character that can fit underneath can opt to execute the hide action as line of sight is blocked i.e. heavily obscured according to the criteria on page 65, the rules of hiding on page 60 and the description of the hide action on page 72.

The strict reading of the rules indicates what the halfling can to is run underneath the ogre and is use it for hide against any other potential enemy in the area.

Page 71

When you take your action on your turn, you can take one of the actions presented here.

Note that Hiding is a specified action. Barring any bonus action a character will need two rounds to execute the attack. Round 1 is to run up and hide, and round 2 the sneak attack occurs. But since the Halfling Rogue character is above 2nd level, he can use Cunning Action to use Hide as a bonus action.

If you make this ruling then you will likely need to distinguish between large creatures that are bulky and thus can be hidden underneath and those that are not. What make sense for a Ogre or Giant may not make sense for all Large sized creatures.

My personal opinion that given the long combat round and the abstraction of facing that I would not make this ruling. I would allow the halfling to use the ogre to hide against other enemies.

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