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I have always assumed that for an urban region (including the suburbs) the ratio between vampire and human population was about 1:10k and 1:50k for the biggest, capital cities. The rural region would yield a bigger ratio, about 1:5k-10k. I assumed that on the notion that in the scarcely populated regions vampires that would otherwise be scattered would group together, but in the largest centres the elders would thrive and gather more resources than their lesser peers.

However, I realised that I have never seen an actual passage from the book that describe this. Is there such a passage? Or maybe the vampire to human population ratio has been implied in one of the more obscure sourcebooks?

Also, if for some reason you believe my reasoning is wrong please let me know, though establishing correctness of my claim if there is no canon source is not an objective of this question.

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Wait, there are humans in the World of Darkness setting? –  Cristol.GdM Jul 11 at 17:04
    
@Cristol.GdM: sure, if you count herds, ghouls, gypsies, street fighters etc. The Street Fighter RPG might technically not have been in WoD, though. –  Steve Jessop Jul 11 at 17:08

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As a rule of thumb, assume that there is one vampire for every 100,000 mortals. (...) The cities could certainly hold more Kindred, but there are legitimate fears of discovery. (...) Despite this, however, there are currently far too many Kindred for the mortal population to support; the ranks of the anarchs have swelled to unprecendented proportions.

– Vampire: The Masquerade, Second Edition (WW2002), p.31: Overpopulation

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A rough ratio of vampires to mortals has evolved in the last century. Many vampire princes enforce a limit of one vampire per 100,000 mortals, in the interests of keeping the existence of the Kindred a secret. Nonetheless – and particularly in the last few years – some cities exceed this ratio (...) In cities that do not slavishly heed the Masquerade, such as those under Sabbat control, the ratio may soar to two or three times the acceptable level.

– Vampire: The Masquerade, Second Edition Revised (WW2300), p.29: Cities

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Were you able to find a quotation for V20? I was looking for it, but I have found nothing. –  Flamma Jul 11 at 17:11
    
@Flamma I do not have V20, unfortunately. :-o Have you checked its introductory parts thoroughly? –  OpaCitiZen Jul 11 at 17:23
    
Quickly... I have not read every word, but I would say it's not there. A text search hasn't provided useful results, either. –  Flamma Jul 11 at 17:27
    
"Acceptable level". Acceptable to whom, precisely? :) –  Shadur Jul 11 at 19:57
    
looking at the census for the city I live in (Austin TX) that'd make 8 vampires, tops 16, personally I'm thinking that's a little low. I'd consider making it more like 1 per 20k, which is for a medium size city is like 40 vampires –  xenoterracide Jul 11 at 21:09

You are too optimistic compared to books. Vampire: The Masquerade always have been managing 1 vampire every 100k inhabitants, considered a safe number to keep the masquerade. Sabbat cities are usually overpopulated, having 1:50k ratio.

In my experience, these numbers only work well for big cities. When dealing with european cities, for example, these number must be stretched or you won't have a decent population on any. But the canon says 1:100k.

Note that vampires usually don't unlive on rural regions. The small populations make hard to keep secrets away from neighbours, thus the Masquerade risk is too high. Also, werewolves are strong on rural areas.

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Can you provide a passage or a book and a page if you know where to look for? –  eimyr Jul 11 at 14:49
    
For example Montreal has a population around 1.5M for the city, closer to 4M for the metro area. Presumably a bit less in 1996, when Montreal by Night was published. I'm going to go ahead and guess that if you add up the NPCs in the book, plus overhead for less important vampires not mentioned, plus the PC party, you get more than 80 :-) So yeah, the rulebook said approx 1:100k for Camarilla cities, but a usable cast list for a game rarely fits in that. –  Steve Jessop Jul 11 at 17:05
    
@eimyr OpaCitiZen has provided quotations and page numbers. The number has historically been like a magic number that most Vampire fans had in their head (even if you had to ignore it), and usually referred on many books. –  Flamma Jul 11 at 17:07
    
@SteveJessop I haven't counted all written vampires in Montreal by Night but, in contrast to NYC BN and Mexico BN, I'm pretty sure those vampires are all they unlive in the city, except for the PCs. I don't they leaved vampires without mention. –  Flamma Jul 11 at 17:10
    
@Flamma: so you can work out the exact ratio, on the counter-factual assumption that the GM won't invent any characters ;-) –  Steve Jessop Jul 11 at 17:12

It depends which book you are talking about (ratio are different in masquerade and requiem).

I don't remember if it was WOD core-book or an extension but I remember about some kind of chart of ratio depending on which creature you use (only-vampire settings will have higher vampire ratio than one with vampires, werewolves, mages...)

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1:100000 ratio for general Kinred pop, increasing to 1:50000. It's "speculated" in the first chapter of the VTR gamebook, under the picture of the cowboy looking guy reaching into his coat. You definitely are way too optimistic. Hah hah!

(And yeah, I think that number is BS myself personally but this is RPG.SE so I'll keep it hush-hush, hah hah!)

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Sorry, not talking about VtR here. –  eimyr Jul 11 at 14:47

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