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I was surfing on the internet, and I have encountered rumours that in the 5th edition of DnD in Forgotten Realms world, the Old Deities will come back (Bhaal, Myrkul, Leira etc.) What is more, I have heard that Bhaal is confirmed.

Is this true, and are there any official sources that confirm this?

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Yes, the old deities are really coming back. Along with the list of old deities in the forgotten realms section of the gods listed in the updated basic rules, (and the gods listed among-st many pantheon in the player's handbook) there is also the "Sundering" story line. The Player's handbook lists 39 divine for the forgotten realms setting with their domains, and symbols. And 24 "non-human deities" which are shared between Greyhawk and Forgotten realms.

During the Sundering, the worlds of Toril and Aibil which were united during the times of upheavel, are being separated from each-other. During this time, the various gods are creating "chosen" mortals which are intended to bring power to the gods, in the hope that when "things are settled" these gods will have the power required to remain a god. There seems to be confusion among st the gods as to what Io actually has in mind as he re-writes things.

Noted events during the sundering are the diminishing of spell plague affects, magic changing it's nature to the way it worked in the past, such that old spell books work and recent ones do not. "The Weave" has new prominence, and most importantly for this question, various gods are found to either not be dead, to be re-united, or to be recreated through various events. It seems that in the various divine schemes to "get enough followers" all divine who have a "chosen", get chosen to remain a god, in a fun twist of the meaning of the "chosen".

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Thank you for your answer! –  Thamiar Aug 18 '14 at 9:40

The three deities you reference (Bhaal, Myrkul, and Leira) are listed in Appendix B of the 5E Players Handbook (p. 294).

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It would be helpful if you could include relevant summary bits of backstory related to why they are back if available. –  wax eagle Aug 9 '14 at 0:33
@waxeagle What he is referencing is literally a table with a list of names in the PHB. There is no description of any of the deities that book. –  Grubermensch Aug 10 '14 at 22:07

Version 0.2 of the Basic rules includes a list of Forgotten Realms deities, and it looks like most of the old deities have returned, including some that died before 3e was even released. Bhaal, Leira, and Mrykul -the three you mention in your question- are all back on the list. So are Azuth, Mystra, and Savras, and most of the other popular formerly-dead deities. However, there are a few entities who haven't been mentioned yet that one might have expected to see, such as Xvim and Asmodeus.

Nonhuman pantheons are not part of the "big" list, though they do get a brief mention in that section. The Dwarven pantheon, at least, appears to all be back: all the old names are listed, but stats aren't given. The same likely holds for other races. Animal deities, like Nobanion and Lurue, also aren't listed.

In any event, the Basic rules don't give any history or other reasons for why this happened. The PHB and DMG might explain further, or this could be relegated to the novels.

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Asmodeus is mentioned in the Player's Handbook as "Overlord of the Nine Hells" in relation to tiefling bloodlines, but not listed in the deities section. –  GMNoob Aug 13 '14 at 14:47
Thank you for your answer! So now I need to wait for both PHB and DMG! –  Thamiar Aug 18 '14 at 9:40

I'm reading "The Sundering" series right now and In part 4 (The Reaver) a chosen of Lathander makes an appeareance. AFAIK, Lathander was absent in Edition 4. Also, in the novel "The Godborn", which I'm reading right now, Mask returns. So I guess the answer is "at least some of them".

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Could you add something to suggest why this is relevant to 5e, for those of us like me unaware of what that series means for 5e? –  doppelgreener Aug 5 '14 at 11:33
I read about "The Sundering" But I thought the event affects only the mortal world, not the Gods. Benedikt, can you say sth. more about it? Doppelgreener: [source] (forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Sundering_%28event%29) "The changes to the Forgotten Realms when 4th edition D&D were announced in 2006[...] Ed and R.A. Salvatore worked together to come up with a plan to fix the inevitable damage that these changes would cause. They came up with The Sundering. " "The result of the events, in game terms, will be a simplified set of rules detailed in the upcoming 5th Edition" –  Thamiar Aug 5 '14 at 11:41
Lathander was not missing. Amaunator in 4e returned at is was revealed that he was lathander. this has continued on into 4e. One of the main NPCs in the mods so far and in the Sundering, Sir Isteval, forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Isteval is shown to know about Amaunator, but purposefully choose to think and worship him still as lathander. –  Joshua Aslan Smith Aug 5 '14 at 11:51
To sum up and paraphrase what Thamiar stated: The Sundering is Ed and R.A. Salvatore's attempts to bring FR back to a state that FR fans liked. –  Aviose Aug 5 '14 at 17:19
@Aviose the Sundering is 6 authors not just 2 of them. And it was commissioned by wotc and the overall story arc was designed by Chris Perkins. –  GMNoob Aug 13 '14 at 10:47

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