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In dnd 3.5/pathfinder, how can a PC make a permanent extra dimensional space? Nothing as fancy nor temporary as a Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion but with more legroom than a 20 cubic feet.

The ideal solution would be purchasable and RAW but any suggestion is welcomed (keeping in mind that I will have to convince my DM to allow it). This is intended for an Eberron campaign but I assume it would be applicable to all dnd/pathfinder settings.

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I think Genesis is what you're looking for, but I don't have the expertise nor the references to write up a proper answer. –  Miniman Sep 3 at 3:20
    
Are you looking for RAW answers, or is it alright if the answer has a touch of homebrew? Personally, I'd allow Permanency to work with Magnificent Mansion, but that's not RAW. Alternately, custom spells might solve your problem. Are you okay with reasonable, non-RAW answers? –  DuckTapeAl Sep 3 at 3:47
    
Also, are you only interested in spells? If there's a magic item or class feature or something that grants the ability to make a permanent extradimensional space, is that acceptable? –  DuckTapeAl Sep 3 at 3:48
    
@Ghaag Would giving a character the ability to create magic items that include extradimensional spaces be enough? –  GMJoe Sep 3 at 4:00
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This is too broad as stated. If you stated a level, a rough cost, and/or a setting those things might all help make this narrowly answerable. –  C. Ross Sep 5 at 15:48

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I have several different solutions that I'd suggest to this problem.

Genesis

Genesis is a level 9 Shaper power that creates a new demiplane on the Astral Plane. Manifest the power, wait a few months, and you have a plane that's a few hundred feet wide, permanent, and shaped however you want it. You need a way of travelling between planes to get there, but other that, you have a permanent plane that you can access whenever you want. This isn't quite an extradimensional space, but it has the advantage of being strictly RAW.

Permanency with Magnificent Mansion

The only 2 spells in 3.5 that I know of that allow you to make extradimensional spaces are Rope Trick and Mage's Magnificent Mansion. Rope Trick is clearly insufficient, but Mage's Magnificent Mansion would be at least large enough for what you intend. Mage's Magnificent Mansion isn't on the normal list for Permanency, but there's no real reason that it couldn't be. Since it's a level 7 spell, it would probably have a minimum level of 15 and cost 2500 XP (17,500 gp in Pathfinder) to make permanent.

Permanency with a homebrew spell

The way I would accomplish this is with a homebrew extradimensional space spell. Rope Trick, at level 2, is the smallest extradimensional space, which has no actual internal dimensions; it has just enough space to hold the creatures inside it, and no more. Mage's Magnificent Mansion is at the opposite end of the scale: it's huge, and has nice side effects, but is much higher in level. For this homebrew spell, I'd put it somewhere in the middle. I like level 5 for this effect. 5 is where you get Secret Chest, Wall of Stone, and Mage's Sanctum, which are some of the standard "make a secure shelter" spells that are more secure than a locked room. Here's the spell I'd make:

Mage's Extradimensional Hut

Level: Sor/Wiz 5 Components: V, S Casting Time: 1 Standard Action Range: Close Effect: Extradimensional mansion, up to 1 10-ft. cube/level (S) Duration: 2 hours/level (D) Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No

You conjure up an extradimensional dwelling that has a single entrance on the plane from which the spell was cast. The entry point looks like a faint shimmering in the air that is 4 feet wide and 8 feet high. Only those you designate may enter the mansion. You may open it again from your own side at will. The atmosphere is clean, fresh, and warm.

You can create any floor plan you desire to the limit of the spell’s effect. The place is unfurnished, and any walls are made of bare wood or stone, your choice.

Since the place can be entered only through its special portal, outside conditions do not affect the mansion, nor do conditions inside it pass to the plane beyond.

This spell can be made permanent with the Permanency spell. It has a minimum caster level of 9, and costs 500 XP (2,500 gp in Pathfinder).

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This is excellent, thank you. Could you possibly add monetary cost considerations please? –  Ghaag Sep 5 at 14:54

Note: This answer uses Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 and emphasizes employing spells; Pathfinder and Dungeons and Dragons 3.5's psionics and other special abilities make available further options.


I know what you're looking for.

You want an extradimensional space (so folks using the spell scrying [div] (Player's Handbook 274-5) et al. may well find you but nonetheless can't reach you using the spell teleport [conj] (PH 292-3) et al., and so you don't have to carry all your loot with you and so you never pay for an inn stay again) that maintains changes you make to it (so you can build immovable objects or traps or whatever in it and have those still exist when you revisit the space) that you can journey to safely instantly (maybe as a standard action or less) and where you can stay indefinitely (so it must have, like, air).

That's pretty much what every serious adventurer wants: an instantly accessible secure, private, comfortable lair. If that's the only acceptable option, skip to You Want Your Own Demiplane and do that, but...

If Doing Without Is Acceptable

Besides the 2nd-level Sor/Wiz spell rope trick [trans] (PH 273) and the 7th-level Sor/Wiz spell Mordenkainen's magnificent mansion [conj] (PH 256), in D&D 3.5 there're a few other items and spells that can make a livable extradimensional space.

  • A portable hole (Dungeon Master's Guide 264) (20,000 gp; 0 lbs.) has approximately 283 cu. ft. in which to, um, hole up. That's a lot less than it sounds if one wants to live in it--considering the square footage comes from the hole being a 6-ft.-diameter, 10-ft.-deep cylinder--, but reasonable if one's a Small creature. Solve the only-10-min.-of-air problem with a necklace of adaptation (DMG 263) (9,000 gp; 0 lbs.). Ask the DM if the hole's interior can be modified. Note: The hole's entrance still exists on the Prime, so it requires either a trusted minion or a safe place to camp anyway.
  • An enveloping pit (Magic Item Compendium 159) (3,600 gp; 0 lbs.) is, perhaps, Dungeons and Dragons 3.5's best deal: A portable hole-like item but having a 10-square-ft. entrance and being fifty feet deep! A spiral staircase and some landings is all it takes to build a lair inside an enveloping pit. Limited to LE, LN, and NE alignments, a Use Magic Device skill check to emulate an alignment (a not inconsequential DC 30) will clear that hurdle.1 Ask the DM if the the 10-min.-of-air thing is still a thing, as the pit "functions like a portable hole," and, of course, if the pit's interior can be modified. Note:* The hole still exists on the Prime, so it, too, requires either a trusted minion or a safe place to camp anyway.
  • A minor schema of pocket cave [conj] (Champions of Ruin 33) (5th-level spell at caster level 9) (Magic of Eberron 122) (18,000 gp; 1 lbs.) grants the bearer, who'll probably need to make a Use Magic Device skill check (DC 29) to activate it,2 the ability to create 1/day for 9 hours a dark, wet, comfortable (with air, even!) cave stocked with fresh water and edible fungi that's made up of 18 10-ft. cubes with entry restrictions like the spell Mordenkainen's magnificent mansion. Note: It's just a mansion for lower-level folks that's available sooner but, often, harder to use.

Although not of much use to some creatures and sometimes only available to high-level creatures, other more obscure options exist (e.g. the 8th-level Sor/Wiz spell Mordenkainen's capable caraval [conj] (Stormwrack 119) has an extradimensional space within the conjured ship like that of the spell Mordenkainen's magnificent mansion, the 9th-level creation Domain (Spell Compendium 153) spell pavilion of grandeur [conj] (SpC 272), a camouflaged compartment (Dragon #352 80) (12,000 gp; 0 lbs.) in a warforged buddy may with the DM's permission permit Tiny creatures to use the 10 cu. ft. therein as a lair, undead and other nonliving creatures can lair in the dragonskin bag of Grendel (Dragon #329 26) (18,000 gp; 8 lbs.) although the bag's interior isn't extradimensional).

If not using these--or if these just aren't up to your exacting standards--,

You Want Your Own Demiplane

Any creature with an Intelligence score of at least 3, using the core rules alone, with some careful planning and a lot of gp, can have his own demiplane and permanent, ready access to that demiplane.

Step 1: Acquire the Ability to Cast the Spell Genesis

The 9th-level Sor/Wiz spell genesis [trans] (Epic Level Handbook 117) allows the caster, while on the Ethereal Plane, to create a 1-ft.-radius demiplane which grows at the rate of 1 ft. per day until its a 180-ft. radius demiplane; casting the spell again on the demiplane increases demiplane's size again.3 The caster "determines [the demiplane's] factors such as atmosphere, water, temperature, and the general shape of the terrain," but whether this includes the plane's time and magic traits (Dungeon Master's Guide 148 and 149-50, respectively) is the subject of vicious Internet debates.

Anyway, the spell genesis can be cast by a creature capable of casting 9th-level Sor/Wiz spells, or a non-caster can cast the spell by employing magic items, such as the ones below.

  • A scroll of genesis (9th-level spell at caster level 17) (28,825 gp; 0 lbs.). Unless the spell genesis is on the creature's spell list, the creature must first employ the skill Use Magic Device to decipher a scroll (DC 34) then the skill Use Magic Device to use the scroll (DC 37).
  • A staff of genesis (9th-level spell at caster level 17) (1,365,050; 4 lbs.). Unless the spell genesis is on the creature's spell list, the creature must employ the skill Use Magic Device to emulate the class feature Spells of a class that has the spell genesis on its spell list (probably DC 37). Note: If the DM is using the rules for Used Wands (Magic Items Compendium 227), a case can be made for used staffs. A staff of genesis with 1 charge costs 27,595 gp.4
  • Outside of core, an attuned gem of genesis (9th-level spell at caster level 17) (33,100 gp; 0 lbs.). Deliberately touching the gem to activate it casts the spell once. Note: Created via the feat Attune Gem (Magic of Faerûn 21), this has the advantage of the user not needing to make Use Magic Device skill checks. This has the disadvantage of being the product of an obscure, unupdated feat in a D&D 3E source book for the Forgotten Realms campaign setting. But, still, it exists.5

Paying a caster to just cast the spell genesis costs 26,530 gp but such a service, according to Table 7-8: Good and Services (PH 128-9) under Spellcasting and Services, "is not generally available except by DM's permission" (129). A fully charged staff of genesis isn't even available in a planar metropolis (ELH 113), but the other items above may be available in towns at least the size of a large city (DMG 137).

Step 2: Cast the Spell Genesis

The spell genesis can only be cast on the Ethereal Plane (DMG 151-2). If the DM's campaign uses an alternate planar cosmology, it's possible the caster's boned. Ask first.

  1. A Knowledge (the planes) skill check may determine the best place on the Ethereal Plane to cast the spell genesis, but the check's DC will depend on the DM. This is actually important (see 3, below), and it may be worth investing resources into improving this Knowledge (the planes) skill check.

  2. The caster employs a method of planar travel to journey to the Ethereal Plane. For a caster, the 5th-level cleric spell or 7th-level Sor/Wiz spell plane shift [conj] (PH 262) et al. is the obvious choice, and available to non-casters in a variety of forms (e.g. attuned gem, minor schema, scepter, staff). Note that the 7th-level Sor/Wiz spell ethereal jaunt [trans] (PH 227-8) and the 9th-level Sor/Wiz spell etherealness [trans] (PH 228) are--without a generous DM (see footnote 5)--insufficient for the task that awaits.

    The DM may mandate that the caster of the spell plane shift needs the appropriate forked rod for the Ethereal Plane--the spell plane shift's material component--, necessitating another quest. A more lenient DM has his campaign's spell component pouches contain such forked rods as they are without a gp value. Ask first. (The 5th-level Psion/Wilder power psionic plane shift [psychoportation] (Expanded Psionics Handbook 124) needs no material components, making that power in some campaigns more efficient than the traditional spell plane shift.)

    In core only, a non-caster without the skill Use Magic Device can still access the Ethereal Plane alone, but it's either expensive and, if one has a low Intelligence score, risky or just risky if one is not of a good alignment.

    • The figurine of wondrous power (obsidian steed) (DMG 256, 257) (28,500 gp; 0 lbs.) creates 1/week for up to 24 hours, a creature under the activator's control that can, among other things, 1/round at will use an effect like the spell plane shift. A good-aligned activator who has the creature use this ability may (10%) end up in the Nine Hells instead of his intended destination.
    • An amulet of the planes (DMG 247) (120,000 gp; 0 lbs.) grants the use the ability to use at will an effect like the spell plane shift. If the user fails an Intelligence ability check (DC 15), he either ends up in a random location on the desired plane (01-60) or on a random plane (61-00). Note: "The normal take 10 and take 20 rules apply for ability checks" (PH 65), so a creature with an Intelligence score of at least 18 can use the amulet of the planes fearlessly if not under stress.
  3. If not already there, travel to the appropriate Ethereal Plane location (see 1, above) and cast the spell. The spell genesis has a casting time of 1 week. Interruptions while casting the spell can cause the spell to fail, so the caster will probably need sequestration and maybe friends, mercenaries, or competent minions for protection while he casts (and getting them to the Ethereal Plane or acquiring them while on the Ethereal Plane is possibly yet another quest). When the spell's completed, the demiplane is created.

Casting the spell genesis merely creates the demiplane.6 The spell doesn't move the caster to the demiplane (which is okay; it's only 2 ft. in diameter). The caster, in fact, doesn't even absolutely--really, really--know the demiplane exists until he visits it.

Step 3: Acquire Means to Journey to and from the New Demiplane

This is harder than it may seem. A generous DM will allow the creator knowledge of the size and metal type of the forked metal rod necessary to access the plane via the spell plane shift (again, advantage to the power psionic plane shift), maybe even including the rod in the campaign's spell component pouch. A stricter, by-the-book DM may say that, as a new demiplane, such knowledge doesn't yet exist and will have to be discovered (still a further quest). Once (or if) the forked metal rod appropriate to the demiplane is acquired, though, the spell plane shift can be used for quick access.

In core, if the rod knowledge can't be acquired, the caster's stuck using the aforementioned amulet of the planes or figurine of wondrous power (obsidian steed). Alternately, there're these:

  • A 9th-level githyanki (MM 127-8) cohort can be recruited--with the DM's permission--by a creature who takes the feat Leadership (PH 97, DMG 106), is at least level 13, and achieves a leadership score of 16. The cohort has, as a spell-like ability usable once per day, plane shift.
  • The cubic gate (DMG 254) (164,000 gp; 0 lbs.) grants the bearer the ability at will to either open a gate to a random spot on 1 of 6 different planes (including the Prime) or transport himself and adjacent creatures to a random spot on 1 of 6 different planes (including the Prime). (The spot's random, not the plane.) The item's creator "should choose the planes to which the other five sides are keyed," and this can include the newly created demiplane. Note: A staff of plane shift (5th-level spell at caster level 9) (34,050 gp; 4 lbs.) is usually a better investment if one has ranks in the skill Use Magic Device, but if one's a mundane good creature with a low Intelligence score and no ranks in the skill Use Magic Device, the cubic gate's a thing. Unless cash and ambition's outweighed sense, the demiplane's only 360 ft. in diameter. Barring horrible topographical errors on the part of its creator, a random spot on the demiplane shouldn't be a big deal.

Outside of core, magical, nonpsionic methods abound of journeying to the demiplane (e.g. circlet of convocation7 (Dragon Compendium Volume 1 133-4) (4,775 gp; 0 lbs.), dimensional chalk holder (Arms and Equipment Guide 131) (22,950 gp; 0 lbs.), lesser amulet of the planes (Dungeon #107 69) (24,000 gp; 0 lbs.), planar ring gates (Planar Handbook 83) (20,000 gp; ea. 20 lbs.), an ur'Epona8 (PlH 72, 130-1) (32,000 gp and 5 gp/day)).

For the DM

The prices and events above are for PCs. NPCs who do the same should, by the time they're encountered, have their full complement of gear back after making their extradimensional bolthole. NPCs still pay for the means of getting to and from the demiplane out of their current wealth but should not pay for creating the demiplane using their current wealth--the DM should factor that into the creatures' Challenge Ratings or the encounters' Encounter Levels. According to Table 4-23: NPC Gear Value, a very careful level 13 NPC could pull this off, but it's more likely an accomplishment of at least a level 15 NPC.


Notes

  1. Faking out the pit to use its relic power requires a creature of the appropriate alignment to make a Use Magic Device skill check to emulate the cleric class feature deity, Domains, and Domain spells (the first line of which is, "Choose a deity for your cleric" (PH 32)) (DC 21) then to make a Use Magic Device skill check to emulate cleric class feature spells (DC 29) to expend a nonexistent 5th-level spell slot to activate the pit--like Lidda uses channel energy to activate the magic chalice (PH 86). Ask the DM first, though.
  2. I know it's bold, but most folks don't take the feat Initiate of Gruumsh (CR 24).
  3. While it's cheaper to use the 9th-level cleric spell word of genesis [conj] (Tome of Magic 262), the spell's more obscure and will likely require additional resources so the caster can make the Truespeak skill check (DC 50). The demiplane it creates also grows at an achingly slow pace and has different effects. It's worth comparing the two, though.
  4. "You know," thought Emirikol the Chaotic, "after that 49th demi-plane, I'm done. I think it's time to put my staff of genesis with 1 charge up for sale." Really?
  5. My advice assumes the DM sanely house rules that attuned gems don't instantly cast the spell upon activation (it doesn't say either way, but it's implied they do in the rules for Gem Magic (Mag 113-4)). If the DM rules spells are cast immediately no matter what their normal casting times, this is totally worth the extra 5,000 gp... and makes the feat Attune Gem awesome.
  6. Yes, merely.
  7. Park a buddy in the demiplane, leave, use the spell sending [evoc] (PH 275-6) to tell the dude to cast the spell scrying [div] (PH 274-5) on you, detect the sensor, and use the circlet's plane shift effect to go to him. Easy.
  8. The ur'Epona can replace the celestial riding dog (MM 31, 272) of a caster who can cast the spell summon monster II [conj] (PH 286, 287).
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There is a Planeshifter Arcane Prestige class in the Manual of the Planes. This class is cool and can grow there own demi plane at normal (i.e. not epic) levels. You can enter it at 6th level at which point they can Planeshift as an ability (they can do this at will at 13th level!). At 15th level they can grow there own Demiplane - a pocket dimension that the Planeshifter can determine the landscape for at time of creation. Also the Plansehifter can move materials from any plane to another at 14th level allowing them to move say a Tower and furniture etc. there from the Prime or any other plane for that matter. Manual of the Planes page 31.

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