# Can you stack Combat Expertise and Power Attack?

Are you allowed to stack the feats of Power Attack and Combat Expertise in a single round?

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Yes.

Both penalties are untyped, and therefore stack with each other. You may have a hard time hitting anything, though!

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Yes, but the penalties also stack, so it usually isn't done.

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In certain circumstances I've seen it done. There are things in the DMG with a high CR and a low AC. Fighters usually have VERY high attack bonuses in the mid to high levels so they parcel out the bonus a couple ways. – C. Ross Feb 20 '11 at 22:48
Well yes, especially if you are using abilities which let you transfer the penalty to something you care about less or using magic items to decrease the importance of your base attack bonus. Both of these are, as I understand, common in higher level optimized play, but, for the sort of person asking this question, I didn't think it would come up often soon. – sebsmith Feb 21 '11 at 2:39
Actually our 9th level 2-handed Ranger/Fighter was looking to do this. The power attack increased his damage output, but the baddies were brutal when they connected (think trolls in construct form). – Scott Feb 22 '11 at 1:23

I did this with a critfisher. You hit if you roll within the 15-20 you crit at. So it doesn't matter what your to hit is. Attacked with +0/+0/-5/-5 at level 10 and still came out on top

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