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In Pathfinder (as D&D) if you make a move action, you forfeit your secondary attack.

However, an Eagle has natural "2 x talon attack" listed as its primary, with a bite attack as a secondary.

Some GM's seem to treat the "two talon attacks" the same as a two weapon fighter attack (despite it not having the same off-hand penalty etc), only allowing 1 claw after a move action.

Other GM's treat the "two talon attack" as the primary attack, allowing both with a move action, but not the secondary bite attack.

Who is right? Please cite sources - either online or the relevant Pathfinder book and page.

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In Pathfinder, natural attacks are treated somewhat differently from weapon attacks. There is also a section on natural attacks under the Attack Action (not the Full Attack Action) in the Combat section. But the Combat section clearly says, after talking about all these kinds of attacks (weapon, unarmed, natural) that "A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack."

I also checked the Paizo forums; in general everyone is of that opinion, though I couldn't find a thread where one of the designers specifically spoke out on it.

Of course, your GM in the end is always correct. I would be tempted to have an eagle hit with both talons on a single attack too, just because that is kinda how eagles attack, they don't thrash around with single claws that often, but RAW they only get one.

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I agree, I'd expect an Eagle to dive with both talons. I wonder if it was intended as a 'single' attack? ...maybe that's just my wishful thinking. ;) RAW it doesn't seem to allow that. – Mikaveli Apr 13 '11 at 23:27
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+1. In the 3.5 MM (p. 272), the eagle listing seems to call it out as a single attack. "Attack: talons +3...", "Full attack: 2 talons +3... and bite -2....". Though I don't have the Pathfinder MM, I would assume it's intended to work the same way. – RMorrisey Apr 15 '11 at 3:02

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