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Basically, we have a haste scroll, 2 warlocks, a druid, a cleric, and me, an arcane trickster.

To use the spell scroll it must be on your spell list. The arcane trickster gets his spells from the wizard spell list. Nobody else has haste on their spell list and I can't cast 3rd level spells... YET, and potentially I can choose haste as a spell at a higher level.

Does this count as being part of my spell list for the purpose of attempting to use the spell scroll by making an ability check with my spell casting ability, as per the rules of casting a spell from a spell scroll that is on your spell list but is of a higher level than you can cast?

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Spell casting described for Arcane Trickster ...

When you reach 3rd level, you gain the ability to cast spells. See chapter 10 for the general rules of spellcasting and chapter 11 for the wizard spell list.

Spell casting described for Wizard ...

As a student of arcane magic, you have a spellbook containing spells that show the first glimmerings of your true power. See chapter 10 for the general rules of spellcasting and chapter 11 for the wizard spell list.

the second sentence is word for word the same.

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So that means that, in lieu of an actual wizard or sorcerer, an arcane trickster can be the resident magical expert when it comes to spells from the wizard spell list. – Cadaran Jan 14 at 22:25
@Cadaran, correct. As can an Eldritch Knight. – Greenstone Walker Jan 14 at 23:06
This is how I rule it as well, though there is is another reasonable interpretation, which is that only spells from the two schools the arcane trickster usually has access to count as being on the arcane trickster's spell list, plus the few particular out-of-school spells chosen by the trickster. This would be similar to the Bard adding spells to the bard list for himself only by choosing them as Magical Secrets. – PurpleVermont Jan 14 at 23:50
@PurpleVermont I see the argument but it is problematic - until the AT gets X level spells, the spells chosen are undefined. In addition, they are replaceable when levelling up. – Dale M Jan 15 at 0:37
@Cadaran the logic is not quite the same for the Bard. The bard has his own spell list, and adds spells to his personal spell list when he takes his magical secrets. They become bard spells for him. The same shenanigans are not necessary for the Arcane Trickster because the AT doesn't have a special spell list, but uses (a subset of) the wizard spell list. As I said above, I can see it going either way. Your DM's ruling is not unreasonable. That said, unless there are tons of scrolls in your adventure, it would not be OP to let you use them. – PurpleVermont Jan 16 at 5:23

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