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A post on Pen and Paper Games forum states that the Ubiquity system does not have an asymmetrical bell curve as other dice pool systems typically do (like the D6 system). Where can I find this explained?

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Ubiquity basically uses coin flips for rolls--heads is a success, tails isn't--except that it uses dice instead of coins. (You could say odd is failure, even is success, or that the low half is failure and the high half is success, or you could use a 4-sided die that had sides reading 0, 1, 1, 2, for fail-fail, fail-succeed, succeed-fail, succeed-succeed, or whatever.)

This means that on average, you get half as many successes as you roll. And since you could relabel success as failure and failure as success without being able to detect the difference from the rolls, it means that everything is symmetric: 3 successes out of 8 is the same probability as 3 failures out of eight.

Many systems do not have this symmetry property. For example, Shadowrun 4th edition has a target number of 5 on a 6 sided die--you have a 1/3 chance of getting a success and 2/3 chance of failure per die. Not symmetric. Also, any system with dice that "explode" will be asymmetric. For example, in the D6 system, if you roll a 6 on the "wild die", you get to keep that roll and roll it again. That gives you a way to rack up really huge rolls. But there's no corresponding mechanic to make a pathetic roll cascade into an even more pathetic roll. Whether this is good (why waste time figuring out just how pathetic something is?) or bad (what if you're waiting for a powerful opponent to make a rare mistake?) depends on the perspective of the GM and players and the scenario in question. But it certainly makes the system asymmetric (presumably intentionally so).

Other systems that do not use pools often do have symmetry, however. GURPS 3d6 rolls are symmetric and are bell-curve-like. d20 is symmetric in a way, but there's no bell curve, so it's not clear whether that counts. It's not clear to me why one would focus only on "dice pool systems" as opposed to "dice systems".

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Well, it's an interesting consequence of common dice-pool designs, so that's really the all the reason one might need to focus on it. –  SevenSidedDie May 5 '11 at 18:54
I'm at a loss to find anything to add, other than my preference for bell curves in task resolution mechanics. :-) –  NestorDRod May 5 '11 at 21:16
It should be noted that early d6 system games (Including 1st ed SW) didn't use the wild die. –  aramis Mar 12 '12 at 12:57
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The Ubiquity System dice rolls give you a true bell graph when charted. I think one of the reasons why it does this is simplicity. One of the great things about the Ubiquity system is the use of "taking the average" for your skill rolls. This means that if you're sufficiently skilled, you don't need to roll dice if a specific difficulty is known (e.g., you need to swim and its difficulty is 3. If your Athletics skill (or swimming sub-skill) is 6 or greater, you don't need to roll the dice/flip the coins/etc.)

On the GM side of the screen, I typically "Take the Average" for all of the NPC's. That really speeds up the game with only the players rolling dice. I've been able to have 4 encounters/fights in 4 hours for a 6 PC game.

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Because of quantization, no dice pool actually gives a true bell curve; the more dice, the closer it is to a true bell curve, but it never quite gives it. A true bell curve regresses to infinity, is fractionally capable, and has no steps. –  aramis May 6 '11 at 6:59
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