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Suppose I have a rogue facing an enemy spell-caster. My rogue drinks a Potion of Invisibility, stealth's behind the caster, and readies an action to attack when the caster casts a spell. The caster obligingly casts a spell without casting defensively, as he doesn't know the rogue is present, which would normally draw an Attack of opportunity. My rogue attacks and interrupts the spell, but does he attack once or twice?

Can a character get a Readied Action and an Attack of Opportunity that is triggered by the same action?

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Yes.

Here is why:

A readied action is just a continuation of the player's turn that has been delayed until the occurrence of a certain trigger. Once the trigger requirements have been met (eg. Goblin comes within range of your Fighter,) as long as it is prior to the PCs next turn, the action will be completed.

Now, if an enemy moves through your Rogue's threatened range, or in this case has a Mage cast without defense, as long as the trigger were specified the Rogue would get both his turn's action (the readied action) and the attack of opportunity (with Sneak Attack die only on the readied action, so not a bad ploy at all for some decent damage).

The easiest way to think of it is as the readied action just being a continuation of the player's turn while treating the attack of opportunity like you would in any other situation.

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Good damage opportunity + make them lose a spell and an action + getting behind the casters and away from the tanks = win! – C. Ross Jun 9 '11 at 13:38
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Do remember, the rogue will only get sneak attack dice for the first attack since after that they are no longer invisible. Beyond that, I'd consider this the perfect answer. – Matrix Mole Jun 9 '11 at 15:27
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Nice answer! It is good to note though, that if the caster is smart and sees you vanish, they'll either five foot in a direction next time they cast to try and get away (still good chance of eating an attack from you), and cast defensively anyhow. Fortunately, I've not yet seen a caster who's remembered to do that! :D – Cthos Jun 9 '11 at 15:30
@Matrix Mole - I thought I had implied that in my post but realized I had done so in a quasi-ambiguous manner. Post edited to reflect that. – GPierce Jun 9 '11 at 17:41

I would think that you get either of the two. Personally, I'd take the Readied action as that does not take away the AoO for the round.

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I would like to clarify another portion of the answer to your question, and make sure you understand how your proposed course of action would occur.

-First, You use a minor (potion), becoming invisible

-Second, you use a stealth check at the end of a move action to successfully avoid being percieved.

-Third, you use a standard action to ready your action, with the following trigger "I will attack with my readied action as soon as the caster casts a spell." Functionally this is clear, but mechanically, let's say you are referring to any power, utility, attack, or otherwise non-move action. Though I believe you are referring to an attack power."

You have successfully used up all actions for your turn, and have successfully readied a valid attack action. You then wait if the trigger occurs.

If the trigger does not occur before your next turn, your readied action is lost, and you must ready again as before in order to do this again.

If the trigger DOES occur before your next turn, because your readied action is "when the target attacks," your attack will actually happen AFTER the target caster's attack occurs! This is explicitly in the most recent Compendium (DnD Insider) rules as of 5/22/12. The rules say that the act of taking a readied action on another players turn is an IMMEDIATE REACTION to the trigger, and will occur in response to the trigger, not before it. Of note, there is a specific exception to this only in the case of a move action. You can interrupt a characters move action to take your readied action, if your trigger you set is to the target's move action, the trigger occurs, and only after the target has at least moved one square of the triggered move action. The target's move is interrupted, your readied action occurs, and then the creature resumes its move assuming it is still able to do so.

--> In addition, your new initiative would reset to before the caster's turn, and this can leave you without a full set of turns for longer than if you had not taken the readied action, especially if the caster's turn is normally immediately before you in the initiative!

In the case of the caster and you above, I can't think of any trigger that you could set that would reliably allow you to attack before the caster took its attack action, because you don't know when it's going to attack, and once you know, you can do nothing to prevent it because your readied action occurs after the triggering attack. The only reliable way to do damage to the caster BEFORE he attacks is to attack him during YOUR turn, instead of readying the action.

An example of taking a readied action in relation to a move, for clarity: -You are almost dead, and in a narrow, two square-wide alley with allies behind you and enemies in front. Let's say you would like to stay in front, but you want to move away in response to an enemy approaching you (say to make an attack), in order to avoid being attacked. You could ready a move action, saying you will move away (behind your allies), in response to any enemy's move that brings that enemy to within two squares of you. Note that you must use a STANDARD action to ready your move action, per the rules. Now, The next time an enemy approaches within 2 squares of you on your turn, you can retreat to behind your allies, safely avoiding a melee attack.

--> This example is not foolproof to prevent an attack from damaging you. Unfortunately, if the DM is mean, the enemies can still hit you from any number of means: a ranged attack, a melee attack with melee range 3 (which is very rare!), an area attack, or a close blast / burst attack with range of 3 or more.

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Hi pipboy, and welcome to the site. This is not helpful, since you're obviously talking about D&D 4e instead of Pathfinder, which the question is about. – C. Ross May 22 '12 at 17:32

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