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The reason I equipped my son with most of the Essentials line is because the core books were getting a reputation for being entirely superseded by the Essentials books. In particular, the recommendation for the MM1 seemed to be to throw it away and use the Monster Vault instead.

Now I have come to find out that the Essentials line is parallel to the regular 4e line, not a replacement. So I am curious: Which core 4e books are considered obsolete and what are their Essentials replacements, if any?

I am interested in the general consensus of the well-informed 4e / Essentials community and / or the official word from WotC.

In particular, where "x" is a number and "y" is a word, I am curious about:

  • PHBx
  • MMx
  • DMGx
  • Book of y Power
  • Draconomicon: y Dragons

Thank you all for your help!

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As a rough and quick answer I'd say none of them are really obsolete. There is still access to non-essentials feats, skills, rituals, etc. As far as the Monster Manuals go, YMMV. I have no problem with any of the MMs, that said MM3 onward is more nicely formatted and presented. I used all of my old books with the essentials line with no problem. If you don't have a DDI subscription or access to the Character Builder the PBHx are nice for more character options alone. –  GPierce Jun 18 '11 at 16:06

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The most obsolete books are the monster ones (MM1, MM2, Draconomicons), though the older monster books can be updated to the current state of the art with some mechanical adjustments.

The older players books are not made obsolete by the essentials players books, but they also don't mesh that well with the essentials books. Players playing a character from one source will not find all that much use for the other source.

The advice portions of the DMG books (which accounts for a large segment of the books) overlaps somewhat with the DM Kit book, but not enough to obsolete them.


The three Player's Handbook books (and the very related power source books - Arcane Power, Primal Power, Divine Power, Psionic Power, Martial Power and Martial Power 2) present character classes that are built somewhat differently than the character classes in the two essentials players books.

Classes from the earlier sets of player books can be played alongside the classes from the essentials books, but players of some classes (especially the martial ones) built using one group of books will find that the options presented in the other group of books for their "class" are of little use.

Player's Handbook 3 and to a lesser extent Player's Handbook 2 present options for which there are no essentials line alternatives. None of the psionic classes from PH3 are found in essentials, nor are the Bard, Avenger and others from PH2, though the essentials Slayer Fighter plays a lot like a simplified Barbarian from PH2.

Races received some updates in the essentials player books. For example, humans from PH1 get an extra at will attack, humans from essentials get a racial power instead. In terms of official WotC ruling, a human can pick either option.

Heroes of Shadow, the most recent players option book presents new classes and races, and also presents options, some of which are applicable to the classes as outlined in the essentials player books and others more applicable to classes as outlines in the original player books.

The essentials player books also introduced the notion of magic item rarity, but otherwise made no substantial changes to the way magic items work, so magic items from any of the players books (original or essentials), as well as from the Adventurer's Vaults should be usable.


The Dungeon Master Guides are primarily about advice rather than rules, though a substantial portion of the rules presented in the first DMG - treasure awards - is replaced in the essentials Dungeon Master's Kit, and much of the advice to dungeon masters presented in DM Kit book is from the DMG1 (which I believe cribbed some content from earlier editions DMGs)


Monster Manual 3 introduced higher damage numbers for monsters, as well as a new design philosophy for monsters especially elites and solo, as well as a new layout for monsters, different from what was found in Monster Manual and Monster Manual 2. The Dark Sun Creature Catalog, Demonomicon, Monster Vault (from the essentials line) and all subsequent products all follow the MM3 guidelines.

MM1, MM2 as well as both dragon books use the older layouts and design philosophy.

Other than damage, the most obvious changes are the reduction in the frequency of monster powers that "kill the fun" for players (dazed, stun, dominate) and a significant increase in the ability of elite and especially solo monsters to shake off or work around such effects.

Finally, if you're using the tokens that came with the Monster Vault a consideration may be that only the essentials products, the starter sets, and the more recent boxed-ish products: Gloomwrought, and Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale also come with tokens.

There are some differences I've seen in the various token sets - The older, blue starter set, as well as the red box put different monsters on each side of the token, while the DM Kit and the Monster Vault put the monster outlined in red, to indicate bloodied. Gloomwrought, and Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale continue this trend, but also write the monster's name on the bloodied side.

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This is the sort of comprehensive answer I was hoping for. I wish I could +1 it some more. –  gomad Jun 19 '11 at 23:24
    
You can accept it as the answer! –  GMNoob Jun 21 '11 at 5:35
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@GMNoob - I usually like to leave a question open for a while longer before doing so. This question is less than a week old! Not everyone can visit SE every day - I don't want to discourage a good answer by accepting too quickly. –  gomad Jun 23 '11 at 14:09

No books are obsolete.

To deprecate the books would be to admit that Essentials is D&D 4.5e, and Wizards of the Coast won't do that.

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Ok, okeefe, but is that the consensus of a significant part of the community? And a part can be significant even if they're not the majority - especially if they are the drivers of the community: Bloggers, reviewers, and other opinion-makers. Because that was the impression I was getting. If you can expand this answer a little, I'll happily +1 it! –  gomad Jun 18 '11 at 17:23
    
It's an interesting philosophical question. Does updating the monster and treasure formulas constitute a new edition? (everything else seems to not affect previous books etc.) –  GMNoob Jun 19 '11 at 15:49

No books are obsolete because of Essentials. They might be obsolete because of the errata published so far. The Essentials books incorporate those errata, so they look like they supersede the older stuff. Concrete examples:

  • monsters in MM1 can use the modifications to damage and resistances brought forth by the errata
  • the DCs and mechanism for skill challenges in general have been overhauled. You'll find the new rules in the updates or in the compendium.

On the other hand, Essentials has lots of stuff "missing". For a quick review, check my own question: After Essentials, what material do I need?.

Personally, I think that people that assume Essentials to be a separate D&D edition are plain wrong, either unwittingly or maliciously. I'm currently running a campaign with both Essentials and classic characters, with zero problems. People are mixing Essentials and classic powers, and generally enjoying the Rules Compendium.

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My only quibble is that MM1 is pretty thoroughly superseded by the Monster Vault. But yeah, in general I completely agree. Also, for the best skill DC reference I've found go here: wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/drdd/2010September –  Brian Ballsun-Stanton Jun 19 '11 at 0:50
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There's a recent effort to update the stats of MM1 monsters currently running on Dungeon. Shame they won't revisit everything, though. Still, there are indications on how to update monsters around. Thinking about it, that would be an useful question. –  Adriano Varoli Piazza Jun 19 '11 at 12:54
    
I would +1 solely for the point that the errata is far more an issue for the older books than Essentials. –  Allen Gould Aug 8 '11 at 17:12

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