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Lets say I have a rote spell set up with 4 shifts for a straight attack. Because it's a rote spell I don't have to make a 4 on my discipline roll, but I still role the discipline for the attack.

So, does that mean that if I role a discipline of 2 that I do 6 stress (excluding any defense)?

Or am I wrong and I just do the 4 stress?

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It's still an attack, so an opposed roll is still required. Since it's an attack evocation, your "attack roll" uses Discipline. The only difference is that you're not also using this same roll to control the energy of the evocation: you automatically get a roll of 0 to control it.

So yes, you still roll Discipline in an opposed roll against the target's defense, and if you win the contest, you get to add the rote's weapon rating (4) to the shifts you got in the opposed roll to determine the total stress inflicted.

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You are not required to have Discipline be the skill for the "attack". It can be Fists, Guns, or any other appropriate skill. For instance, if I were making a rote that mimicked Harry's force rings, I'd make Fists or Athletics be the attack roll. But most wizards have higher disciplines that Fists, in general! –  gomad Jul 5 '11 at 6:24
The implied question was whether anything has to be rolled, which is yes, but I'll amend it a bit to leave room for alternatives. –  SevenSidedDie Jul 5 '11 at 6:31
@Seven-thanks. I find that the majority of the very few DFRPG players I encounter think that Discipline is the only choice. I thought the rules and examples made it pretty clear, but apparently not clear enough. –  gomad Jul 6 '11 at 19:59
@gomad I've been trying to find the exact place that covers this: do you have a page number that would be useful? –  SevenSidedDie Jul 6 '11 at 20:24
Oh, man, I have been doing this wrong the whole time! I tracked down the reference I remembered seeing (YS280) and lo and behold - it's about Enchanted items! The Discipline roll of any Evocation is also the targeting / attack roll, and it's automatically a zero. The rules state (YS258) that you can invoke aspects and apply other modifiers after the fact to improve that result. I must slink away into a cave to hide now and hope that my players never read this answer. Fortunately, since, as I mentioned, wizards have high Discipline compared ot other skills, they've only used that! –  gomad Jul 6 '11 at 21:31

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