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comment If a foe's perception check beats your stealth check, do you still get CA against them?
Oooo Madrius that is a helpful distinction. TY
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comment If a foe's perception check beats your stealth check, do you still get CA against them?
I completely agree. The issue that arises is when 4e gets all wacky in its verbiage. They say total concealment equals invisible somewhere and that invisible means you get CA. Folks get confused that even if a foe is invisible if you roll perception and despite all those minuses you perceive them, you get no CA. Incidentally, there is another issue that arises from your answer. The unnecessary addition of the passive perception. Either active or passive perception may be used and in either case if the perception score beats the stealth score the target is no longer hidden and has no CA.
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asked If a foe's perception check beats your stealth check, do you still get CA against them?