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Mutual Assured Destruction

Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be themthey the Society of Leopold, Technocratic League, or another, and then wipe out the Garou and Vampires.

Mutual Assured Destruction

Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be them Society of Leopold

Mutual Assured Destruction

Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be they the Society of Leopold, Technocratic League, or another, and then wipe out the Garou and Vampires.

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Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be them Society of Leopold

Mutual Assured Desctruction

Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be them Society of Leopold

Mutual Assured Destruction

Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be them Society of Leopold

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Mutual Assured Desctruction

Both the Camarilla and the Garou have rules to try and maintain the Masquerade/Veil. Because as potent they are, they are but few compared to the sheer number of humans:

Vampires are measured in single numbers per 5 to 6 digit numbers, while V5 even gives real numbers: you need 30:1 for the absolute minimum feeding grounds, 3000:1 to hide that some kind of haemovore is there and about 10000:4 to properly hide a coterie.Vampire 5th Edition pp.324 But many Storytellers agree to go more towards 50,000 to 100,000 per vampire.

The total Garou population number in some areas is known from the Rage series of books: 350 Garou in 1994 Australia stand against 17.86 million humans. Or roundabout 50000:1 on that continent. ~373 in 1992 New York State versus 18.08 million for roundabout the same ratio, if you include the non-residents (~48500:1).

So, their numbers per capita are about the same. Sure, you can raise a lot of vampires quickly and fight like the Sabbat, but if the two fight an open war, they are massively outnumbered by normal humans. Normal humans can wield the firepower of automatic weapons and tanks, which in large numbers could destroy any vampire and Garou alike.

Then there's the Society of Leopold, aka the Inquisition, who actively hunt down both Vampires and Garou wherever they encounter them. Some of them are plain mortals. Others are Hunters with special powers. Yet again others are actually Tradition-Mages of the Celestial Chorus. And all of them are dedicated monster hunters that know how to end both kinds in a somewhat stealthy manner and cover it up.

Oh, and both sides are painfully aware of humankind's shadow leaders in the shape of Technocratic mages. These are why open warfare is not an option at all. The Technocray won't shy away from turning an entire metropolis into a radioactive glassed wasteland in June 1999 because there is a single vampire they can't kill.

In the end: Open war will destroy both sides as humankind will band under the banners of their protectors, be them Society of Leopold