Timeline for What is the native plane of a larva or lemure?
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| Feb 17, 2022 at 21:27 | history | edited | Darth Pseudonym | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:46 | comment | added | Nobody the Hobgoblin | that makes a lot of sense from a flavor and storytelling perspective. I probably would handle it like that too (For around here, I am trying to find what the RAW from the books says, and that seems to be you can resurrect them, unless you consider them trapped. Maybe all other lemures are, courtesy of being in the ranks of hell. I'm not sure if Larvae would be. I have this other question open on that. | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:42 | comment | added | Darth Pseudonym | I don't agree. A lemure that's killed but not destroyed isn't now a mortal available for rez; it's just a temporarily discorporated devil. In my game, I'd allow PCs to rez a dead creature whose soul is currently a lemure (whether currently corporeal or not) but you just get the evil devil in your buddy's body, not the original mortal. In the case of a nazrugon, destroying the lemure doesn't destroy the soul as normal, but instead releases it to go onto its original destination, which does make it available for actual resurrection of the original person. Does that make sense? | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:37 | comment | added | Nobody the Hobgoblin | Just realized thanks to illustro, at least lemures have a built in re-spawn, so they are not permanently destroyed when killed. This leaves a window for the resurrection to get them. Wouldn't make a lot of sense if they were destroyed as materialized souls | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:35 | comment | added | Darth Pseudonym | Sorry, misunderstood your comment. I think the Narzugon is a special case; because the soul was "recruited" under weird circumstances unrelated to their personal morality or any particular deal with a devil, those souls get a special "out" -- they can be de-lemurified and subsequently resurrected, which isn't an option for baseline lemures. | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:30 | history | edited | Darth Pseudonym | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:23 | comment | added | Nobody the Hobgoblin | I agree "kill and rez" does not make any sense, but it is exactly what the Narzugon, which is published material from MtoF, says. | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 16:22 | comment | added | Nobody the Hobgoblin | you can ressurect souls that are embodied in creatures, so having them be a lemure or larva will not block it because they are a creature, as long as it is not yet destroyed, or other planar restriction mean they are "trapped" | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 15:49 | comment | added | Nobody the Hobgoblin | I love your last paragraph "It's them, but not them." I think this is how I should run it as a DM, at least until the Devil/Larva is destroyed. From a technical perspective, the Narzugon counterexample however undermines my assumptions: If killing the lemure utterly destroys the soul, how could "kill the lemure, then cast Resurrection" revive the original creature? I think "specific beats general" does not make sense as an explanation in this context, if there were no soul left by general rule, how could you resurrect it? | |
| Feb 17, 2022 at 15:25 | history | answered | Darth Pseudonym | CC BY-SA 4.0 |