Timeline for Did AD&D players use Leomund's Tiny Hut to keep out enemies?
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| Dec 3, 2023 at 0:53 | vote | accept | RedGeomancer | ||
| Jan 27, 2023 at 20:42 | comment | added | Kirt | Spell research was assumed to be a common activity at "name level" (9+). Also, first edition had no rules for upcasting. Thus, having spells of similar effects at different levels also provided some more flexibility in achieving the effects you wanted with the slots you had available. | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 20:21 | comment | added | Dave | @ShadowRanger that and it provides "cover" for the inevitable fact that as the DM adjudicates custom spells, they're not going to always perfectly balance spell levels. I believe that spell research was much more common in AD&D that more current iterations. Bob researches a spell, DM says "it's 5th level". Gameplay ensues, spell seems underpowered. Bob, or any other MU in the campaign, learns that there's Charlie's spell: only 3rd level and does much the same as Bob's hard won spell does. In-lore explanation of this mechanics change. | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 20:16 | comment | added | Dave | @ShadowRanger or it's flavor that can tie in to adventure hooks: Magic School A is good at entrancing magic, so if your mentor is from that school, you can learn hypnotic pattern. Magic School B is less good at it, so if you study there, you'd only have access to Leomund's, higher spell slot, spell that is similar. PC had been studying with magic school B, but gets intrigued that they could have different options if they managed to get accepted by school A. | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 19:49 | comment | added | ShadowRanger | @Dave: So redundancy exists to handle bad "Chance to learn spell rules"? I gotta say, if you've been trying to learn Hypnotic Pattern from level 3 (when you first get access) through 9 (when Leomund's Lamentable Belaborment becomes available), with one attempt per level up (so, seven failed attempts), I'm thinking either you shouldn't be playing a wizard with a 9 Int, need to make amends with whatever deity you offended, or both. Maybe just give up on entrancing people, rather than sacrificing more useful 5th level spells just to emulate a low level spell. :-) | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 19:36 | comment | added | Dave | @ShadowRanger In a game where MUs have to actually find their spells and an imperfect chance of learning them, having two spells, say Alice's Amazing Amuser and Bobs Bewildering Balderdash, that do virtually the same thing but operate at different spell levels may offer some interesting gameplay... | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 17:50 | comment | added | ShadowRanger | @Kirt: Xabloyan's comment there is fairly insightful: "The Leomund spells were invented by Len Lakofka, who, IMHO, was fond of making his spells quite weak." On rechecking, this is pretty accurate. I don't know the complete list of spells Len invented, but the 2E Leomund's spells are mostly long-duration non-combat utilities significantly higher level than they should be (the main spell with combat potential, Leomund's Lamentable Belaborment, is a 5th level spell that heavily overlaps the 2nd level Hypnotic Pattern, and the improvements it grants mostly apply to non-combat scenarios). | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 12:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackRPG/status/1618941906586664960 | ||
| Jan 27, 2023 at 10:27 | comment | added | Senmurv | ...why did? Some folk still play AD&D :) | |
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| Jan 27, 2023 at 7:32 | comment | added | Kirt | This thread debates to what extent it protects against weather but does not mention monsters. Do note if you try a forum search there that most hits for LTH are for the article series that Len Lakofka wrote for Dragon Magazine, not for the spell itself (Len was the author of the spell and the player of Leomund in Gygax's game). | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 7:27 | comment | added | Kirt | Dragonsfoot forums has an active community of people who played 1st Ed back in the day, and many still do. You might ask this question there or even make a poll. Just as a quick search I found this post saying "[magically safe places start] with Leomund's Tiny Hut which is safe, if a bit exposed - you can see the monsters massing around your little bubble!" which implies that at least that player used it as a barrier to monsters. | |
| Jan 27, 2023 at 7:14 | history | edited | Nobody the Hobgoblin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 27, 2023 at 7:06 | answer | added | Nobody the Hobgoblin | timeline score: 15 | |
| Jan 26, 2023 at 23:25 | answer | added | ShadowRanger | timeline score: 19 | |
| Jan 26, 2023 at 21:54 | history | asked | RedGeomancer | CC BY-SA 4.0 |