Timeline for How easy is it to pinpoint someone's location when you can't see them?
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| Mar 12, 2023 at 23:07 | vote | accept | Anne Aunyme | ||
| Feb 22, 2023 at 23:42 | comment | added | Wyrmwood | That was a lot of words to say the Unseen Attackers and Targets and Surprise rules implicitly say you know the location of a creature you notice but do not see or one who is not hidden, whether you can see them or not. Still, completely agree! +1 | |
| Feb 21, 2023 at 17:59 | history | edited | Kirt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 20, 2023 at 17:27 | comment | added | Kirt | @Negdo A more charitable interpretation would be that the 5e rules are deliberately simplified in order to give more latitude for DM decisions as to circumstantial effects. You can think of them as the 'minimum rules needed', a point JC has made in podcasts. In my own games, for example, I rule that sound is irrelevant in a noisy environment and thus someone who was in darkness during a combat would force potential attackers to guess their square even without Silence or having Hidden. The same creature outside of combat could be automatically located by their sound. | |
| Feb 20, 2023 at 15:21 | comment | added | Negdo | And this is a good case of why oversimplification of rules is at least as bad as overcomplication. You get ridicilous cases when runing into darkness and that doesn't give you any benefit from archer shooting at you. Whole stealth mechanics from 5e are dumb AF | |
| Feb 20, 2023 at 8:00 | comment | added | Kirt | @From Shouting or knocking over a vase are given as examples of things that would break an otherwise successful Stealth roll. Quotes in the post above that imply even normal levels of noise are enough to track a non-Hidden but unseen creature are: "[you have disadvantage when] you're targeting a creature you can hear but not see" and "[an invisible creature can try to Hide but] it does have to stay quiet". The second quote, in particular, implies that an invisible creature can be detected by normal sound alone unless it is deliberately using Stealth to try to not make noise. | |
| Feb 20, 2023 at 6:54 | comment | added | From | Source on normal movement counting as "making noise"? The examples supplied (shouting and knocking over a vase) seem to imply something "more". | |
| Feb 20, 2023 at 4:23 | history | edited | Kirt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 19, 2023 at 16:18 | history | edited | Kirt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 19, 2023 at 15:47 | comment | added | Kirt | @user2617804 To perceive a creature, the difficulty is set by their Stealth roll, if they are Hiding. In OP's example, Alice is not hiding, therefore no DC on the Perception check - she is either automatically detectable, or impossible to detect. | |
| Feb 19, 2023 at 10:34 | comment | added | user2617804 | Surely the question is it needs a perception with what difficulty | |
| Feb 19, 2023 at 3:42 | history | edited | Kirt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 19, 2023 at 2:26 | history | answered | Kirt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |