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On the other hand, maybe the bow is glowing and it imparts radiant power to each arrow as it's loosed. In this case, if holy powers are channeled through the bow, then it makes sense they might be even more holy, and your combo would workeven if no arrows are involved.

On the other hand, maybe the bow is glowing and it imparts radiant power to each arrow as it's loosed. In this case, if holy powers are channeled through the bow, then it makes sense they might be even more holy, and your combo would work.

On the other hand, maybe the bow is glowing and it imparts radiant power to each arrow as it's loosed. In this case, if holy powers are channeled through the bow, then it makes sense they might be even more holy, even if no arrows are involved.

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Yes

I initially thought no, assuming some It seems that Wizards has published errata would exist, but after looking for some and not finding any I'm changing my answer to yes.

I've included the original text frompower in question, Weapon of the books belowGods, and I don't see anybut it is only visible for DDI subscribers. The official errata published for the powernon-subscribers does not include these changes, as can be seen in the currentrelevant PDFs: Player's Handbook Errata PDF on Wizards' site, or the feature in the current Divine Power Errata PDF.

OneMy playgroup has no DDI subscribers in it, so it only makes sense for us to ignore these sort of thechanges. Therefore, this question will have two answers, depending on this page claims some errata exists for the power which would make this answer a clear 'No'.if you care about DDI or not:

Rules-as-WrittenWith DDI, No

Until the end of the encounter, all attacks made with the weapon deal an extratarget deals 1d6 extra radiant damage. When the when used to make a weapon hitsattack. In addition, whenever an enemy, is hit by a weapon attack using the target, that enemy takes a -2 penalty to AC until the end of the weapon wielder's next turn of the target’s wielder.

Contrary to Tobold's answer, nowhere in this effect is theThe key phrase here is "Weapon attack",. The only attacks which would explicitly require the Weapon keyword on the affected attack, but it does say "attacks madeare "Weapon attacks" are ones with the weapon", which is pretty close'Weapon' keyword.

This feature allows you to use a bow, which is a weapon, as an implement. Weapon ofIt does not add the Gods' phrasing says "attacksWeapon keyword to attacks made with the weapon", but thea bow is being used as an implement. Therefore, since these attacks are still not Weapon attacks, Weapon of the Gods would not trigger, even though you are using a weapon to make the attacks. I would say

Without DDI, Yes

The phrasing of Honor the Bow remains the same, but Weapon of the Gods originally read:

Until the end of the encounter, all attacks made with the weapon deal an extra 1d6 radiant damage. When the weapon hits an enemy, the enemy takes a -2 penalty to AC until the end of the weapon wielder's next turn.

Note that technicallythis phrasing does not say "Weapon attacks", givenbut instead "attacks made with the way it's writtenweapon". So, even though your Implement attacks haven't gained the Weapon keyword, you are using a bow, which is still a weapon, and you're makingto make the attack. Therefore, any Implement attacks made with it, sothe bow after targeting it would count.

But, givenwith Weapon of the way other powers work, I would be surprised if that wasGods are "attacks made with the intent,weapon" and if I had a citation for the aforementioned errata ityou would prove this suspicionget the extra benefits.

On the third hand (this is fantasy after all), the text description of the Seldarine Dedicate says "Your weapon is inscribed with sigils and runes, which flare with emerald light when you fire a shot with a whispered prayer". To me, this implies you're supposed to be shooting the bow in a holy fashion, which would imply that instead of just saying a prayer with a holy symbol for your powers, you now shoot holy arrows at things. Furthermore, your lvl 20 Daily says "you launch a fiery bolt from your bow that erupts into white-hot flame where it hits", but is an implement power without the Weapon keyword. Why in the world wouldSo you could instead view all your extra radiant damage from Weapon of the Gods not apply toimplement attacks as bow attacks which actually involve shooting an arrow shot from the bow?or arrows.

So, if it were me, I would ask my DM to allow this combo to work, simplyif only because I think the second and third explanations make more sense than the first. But be up-front about the fact that it mightis not technically be rules-as-writtenRAW with DDI, and that therefore there could possibly be balance issues.

Yes

I initially thought no, assuming some errata would exist, but after looking for some and not finding any I'm changing my answer to yes.

I've included the original text from the books below, and I don't see any errata for the power in the current Player's Handbook Errata PDF on Wizards' site, or the feature in the current Divine Power Errata PDF.

One of the answers on this page claims some errata exists for the power which would make this answer a clear 'No'.

Rules-as-Written

Until the end of the encounter, all attacks made with the weapon deal an extra 1d6 radiant damage. When the weapon hits an enemy, the enemy takes a -2 penalty to AC until the end of the weapon wielder's next turn.

Contrary to Tobold's answer, nowhere in this effect is the key phrase "Weapon attack", which would explicitly require the Weapon keyword on the affected attack, but it does say "attacks made with the weapon", which is pretty close.

This feature allows you to use a bow, which is a weapon, as an implement. Weapon of the Gods' phrasing says "attacks made with the weapon", but the bow is being used as an implement, not a weapon. I would say that technically, given the way it's written, the bow is still a weapon, and you're making attacks with it, so it would count.

But, given the way other powers work, I would be surprised if that was the intent, and if I had a citation for the aforementioned errata it would prove this suspicion.

On the third hand (this is fantasy after all), the text description of the Seldarine Dedicate says "Your weapon is inscribed with sigils and runes, which flare with emerald light when you fire a shot with a whispered prayer". To me, this implies you're supposed to be shooting the bow in a holy fashion, which would imply that instead of just saying a prayer with a holy symbol for your powers, you now shoot holy arrows at things. Furthermore, your lvl 20 Daily says "you launch a fiery bolt from your bow that erupts into white-hot flame where it hits", but is an implement power without the Weapon keyword. Why in the world would your extra radiant damage from Weapon of the Gods not apply to an arrow shot from the bow?

So, if it were me, I would ask my DM to allow this combo to work, simply because I think the second and third explanations make more sense than the first. But be up-front about the fact that it might not technically be rules-as-written, and that therefore there could possibly be balance issues.

It seems that Wizards has published errata for the power in question, Weapon of the Gods, but it is only visible for DDI subscribers. The official errata published for non-subscribers does not include these changes, as can be seen in the relevant PDFs: Player's Handbook Errata PDF, Divine Power Errata PDF.

My playgroup has no DDI subscribers in it, so it only makes sense for us to ignore these sort of changes. Therefore, this question will have two answers, depending on if you care about DDI or not:

With DDI, No

Until the end of the encounter, the target deals 1d6 extra radiant damage when used to make a weapon attack. In addition, whenever an enemy is hit by a weapon attack using the target, that enemy takes a -2 penalty to AC until the end of the next turn of the target’s wielder.

The key phrase here is "Weapon attack". The only attacks which are "Weapon attacks" are ones with the 'Weapon' keyword.

This feature allows you to use a bow, which is a weapon, as an implement. It does not add the Weapon keyword to attacks made with a bow. Therefore, since these attacks are still not Weapon attacks, Weapon of the Gods would not trigger, even though you are using a weapon to make the attacks.

Without DDI, Yes

The phrasing of Honor the Bow remains the same, but Weapon of the Gods originally read:

Until the end of the encounter, all attacks made with the weapon deal an extra 1d6 radiant damage. When the weapon hits an enemy, the enemy takes a -2 penalty to AC until the end of the weapon wielder's next turn.

Note that this phrasing does not say "Weapon attacks", but instead "attacks made with the weapon". So, even though your Implement attacks haven't gained the Weapon keyword, you are using a bow, which is a weapon, to make the attack. Therefore, any Implement attacks made with the bow after targeting it with Weapon of the Gods are "attacks made with the weapon" and you would get the extra benefits.

On the third hand (this is fantasy after all), the text description of the Seldarine Dedicate says "Your weapon is inscribed with sigils and runes, which flare with emerald light when you fire a shot with a whispered prayer". To me, this implies you're supposed to be shooting the bow in a holy fashion, which would imply that instead of just saying a prayer with a holy symbol for your powers, you now shoot holy arrows at things. Furthermore, your lvl 20 Daily says "you launch a fiery bolt from your bow that erupts into white-hot flame where it hits", but is an implement power without the Weapon keyword. So you could instead view all your implement attacks as bow attacks which actually involve shooting an arrow or arrows.

So, if it were me, I would ask my DM to allow this combo to work, if only because I think the second and third explanations make more sense than the first. But be up-front about the fact that it is not technically RAW with DDI, and that therefore there could possibly be balance issues.

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NoYes

I thinkinitially thought no, assuming some errata would exist, but I can't quite prove itafter looking for some and not finding any I'm changing my answer to yes.

I'm looking atI've included the actualoriginal text from the books below, and I don't see any errata for itthe power in the current Player's Handbook Errata PDF on Wizards' site, or the feature in the current Divine Power Errata PDF. 

One of the answers on this page claims some errata exists for the power which would make this answer much morea clear 'No'.

This feature allows you to use a bow, which is a weapon, as an implement. Weapon of the Gods' phrasing says "attacks made with the weapon", but the bow is being used as an implement, not a weapon. I would say that technically, given the way it's written, the bow is still a weapon, and you're making attacks with it, so it would count. 

But, given the way other powers work, I would be surprised if that was the intent, and if I had a citation for the aforementioned errata it would prove this suspicion.

If you're not overly concerned with the technical RAW interpretation of things, you might be more interested in what makes sense in your game world and what is implied by the text descriptions of the game elements you're looking at. You could go several ways with this, depending on what ruling you go with concerning the legitimacy of the combo.

For an in-game explanation consistent with my above rules interpretationthis combo not working, look at Weapon of the Gods' flavor text: "Your weapon glows with divine radiance, enhancing your attacks", and notice that it has on on-hit effect: "when the weapon hits an enemy...". So, basically your sword is glowing and does extra damage when it hits. Since this is a ranged weapon we're talking about, it would be the arrows that get radiant. You don't fire any arrows for those implement attacks, so it makes sense that nothing extra would happen.

No

I think no, but I can't quite prove it.

I'm looking at the actual books, and I don't see any errata for it in the current Player's Handbook PDF on Wizards' site. One of the answers on this page claims some errata exists which would make this answer much more clear.

This feature allows you to use a bow, which is a weapon, as an implement. Weapon of the Gods' phrasing says "attacks made with the weapon", but the bow is being used as an implement, not a weapon. I would say that technically, given the way it's written, the bow is still a weapon, and you're making attacks with it, so it would count. But, given the way other powers work, I would be surprised if that was the intent, and if I had a citation for the aforementioned errata it would prove this suspicion.

If you're not overly concerned with the technical RAW interpretation of things, you might be more interested in what makes sense in your game world and what is implied by the text descriptions of the game elements you're looking at.

For an in-game explanation consistent with my above rules interpretation, look at Weapon of the Gods' flavor text: "Your weapon glows with divine radiance, enhancing your attacks", and notice that it has on on-hit effect: "when the weapon hits an enemy...". So, basically your sword is glowing and does extra damage when it hits. Since this is a ranged weapon we're talking about, it would be the arrows that get radiant. You don't fire any arrows for those implement attacks, so it makes sense that nothing extra would happen.

Yes

I initially thought no, assuming some errata would exist, but after looking for some and not finding any I'm changing my answer to yes.

I've included the original text from the books below, and I don't see any errata for the power in the current Player's Handbook Errata PDF on Wizards' site, or the feature in the current Divine Power Errata PDF. 

One of the answers on this page claims some errata exists for the power which would make this answer a clear 'No'.

This feature allows you to use a bow, which is a weapon, as an implement. Weapon of the Gods' phrasing says "attacks made with the weapon", but the bow is being used as an implement, not a weapon. I would say that technically, given the way it's written, the bow is still a weapon, and you're making attacks with it, so it would count. 

But, given the way other powers work, I would be surprised if that was the intent, and if I had a citation for the aforementioned errata it would prove this suspicion.

If you're not overly concerned with the technical RAW interpretation of things, you might be more interested in what makes sense in your game world and what is implied by the text descriptions of the game elements you're looking at. You could go several ways with this, depending on what ruling you go with concerning the legitimacy of the combo.

For an in-game explanation consistent with this combo not working, look at Weapon of the Gods' flavor text: "Your weapon glows with divine radiance, enhancing your attacks", and notice that it has on on-hit effect: "when the weapon hits an enemy...". So, basically your sword is glowing and does extra damage when it hits. Since this is a ranged weapon we're talking about, it would be the arrows that get radiant. You don't fire any arrows for those implement attacks, so it makes sense that nothing extra would happen.

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