Timeline for Which feats have mechanical effects that remain after the feat itself is gone?
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| Sep 12, 2021 at 14:48 | comment | added | Hey I Can Chan | This question's core idea was brought up in Aug. 2021 on the Giant in the Playground forum's Dysfunction Rules thread here. | |
| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:45 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Sep 20, 2016 at 23:10 | comment | added | Hey I Can Chan | Suggestions for improvement welcome. | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 5:12 | answer | added | Chemus | timeline score: 7 | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 3:14 | comment | added | Chemus | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 3:07 | comment | added | Hey I Can Chan | @Chemus Aha! Thank you for your patience! Even were a creature to lose one of the listed feats because energy drain cost the creature a level, some of the above feats' effects should continue. Losing a feat doesn't turn back time. Enemies slain due to the use of the feat Power Attack don't rise from the dead from losing the feat Power Attack, nor is money returned from losing the feat Ancestral Relic! So with some effects of the feats above. If you want to challenge that frame, that's cool, but consider carefully the listed feats beforehand. | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 2:50 | comment | added | Chemus | I'll try once more: these feats grant benefits that are usually granted upon gaining a level. When the abilities are granted by a level, they are lost if the level is lost. Why should the same abilities granted via feats be treated differently upon loss of the granting feat? | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 2:42 | comment | added | Hey I Can Chan | @Chemus I think--if we're on the same page--the loss of the listed feats would be as if they were lost via energy drain, but I'm not sure why that's important. The central premise is that the feats I listed would continue providing some effects despite being lost. Is how the feats are lost somehow important? (As an aside, the FAQ disallows gaming level loss via, for example, restoration (114).) | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 2:23 | comment | added | Chemus | What I'm saying is that if you lose a feat, you lose the benefit of the feat. Level loss is very much like losing a feat that grants the benefits you mentioned in your question; so why wouldn't it be treated in the same way? | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 1:09 | comment | added | Hey I Can Chan |
@Chemus I'm not sure I understand. Are you asking for a rule that says that a creature can't use, for example, the feat Power Attack unless the feat Power Attack is on the creature's character sheet? That is, are you asking me to prove that a creature can't use feats the creature doesn't have? If so, I don't really know what to do with that. :-)
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| Sep 19, 2016 at 23:56 | comment | added | Chemus | A bit of a frame challenge here: given that level loss removes benefits such as most of those you've mentioned, what rule says that loss of a feat ignores the granted benefits of that feat? | |
| Sep 19, 2016 at 23:01 | history | asked | Hey I Can Chan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |