I'm looking for a way to add Charisma to CMB, spells that grapple, pin, trip etc using your main casting stat or the nature mystery, Nature’s Whispers revelation with Agile Maneuvers feat is the closest I've gotten so far and I'm not even sure that one works by raw.

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    \$\begingroup\$ For this kind of question, you can rely on Getting X to Y - A Pathfinder guide to using your ability scores. \$\endgroup\$
    – aloisdg
    Oct 31, 2017 at 8:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ @aloisdg Thanks, but I already checked it and thought that I might doublecheck on here if there's any more info. X to Y is unfortunately not perfect and its missing some parts to it, which is why I'm checking on here. \$\endgroup\$
    – Simon
    Oct 31, 2017 at 8:55
  • \$\begingroup\$ If you know missing parts, feel free to add them as suggested edit or comment ;) \$\endgroup\$
    – aloisdg
    Oct 31, 2017 at 9:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ @aloisdg That link is dead now \$\endgroup\$ Oct 31, 2017 at 13:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ @aloisdg your link looks invalid - I got message from Google that this document violated their terms of use. \$\endgroup\$
    – Mołot
    Oct 31, 2017 at 16:39

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There are several ways, but before anything, remember that any bonus to your attack rolls will also be added to your CMB rolls. So any effect that boosts your attacks will also help your CMB checks.

So, this means that a paladin's smite evil would add your charisma bonus to your CMB rolls. An Order of the Star Cavalier's Calling can add your charisma bonus to attacks rolls as a competence bonus for one check in the next minute. Desna's Fighting Technique would technically apply to spells, as you simply have to be wielding a starknife to gain the benefits. The Bracers of Avenging Knight would allow you to add your charisma bonus to one attack roll once per day.

Followers of Iomedae have some options as well, like the feats Strike True (+4 to a melee attack roll by spending a move action) and Hands of Valor (add charisma to attack rolls for one minute after using lay on hands), or even praying at an Altar of Iomedae to gain a +1 morale bonus to attack rolls. This is merely an example, if you check other gods, several of them will have similar feats, spells or magic items.

It's no wonder that oracle with a dip in paladin is a common build suggestion (Oradin), many of their abilities help oracles.

Feats that improve your maneuvers, like Improved Grapple, would also help when using spells that require using your CMB. And spells like Heroism, Divine Favor or Blessing of Fervor will also help.


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