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When considering the requirements for a Long Rest, would maintaing Rage preclude someone from gaining the benefits of their Long Rest (if they were an Elf doing Trance so as not to go unconscious).

Previous similar questions include allowing the use of Concentration through both short rests and long rests. As well as Jeremy Crawford's tweet regarding Concentration, Long Rest and Trance.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Note that the long rest reference does not cover the inverse statement: "Can you gain the benefits of a Long Rest, while Concentrating." \$\endgroup\$ – Randomorph Jan 18 '18 at 18:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ According to this question, you can't maintain rage for more than one minute anyway. Given that you mention trance, are you referring to maintaining rage throughout your rest, or just raging sometime during the rest? \$\endgroup\$ – Icyfire Jan 18 '18 at 19:14
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Icyfire - yes that's correct. This question is really no longer relevant due to the clarification in that question. There simply is no case that makes it applicable. \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Jan 18 '18 at 19:21
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It doesn't matter

A rage cannot be maintained for more than one minute under any circumstances, according to this discussion. Because you cannot rage for the entire duration of the long rest, it does not affect your long rest.

Raging at some point during the long rest is ok, given that any combat shorter than one hour does not interrupt the rest either, and it's likely that a barbarian will rage during that combat.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Why do you think Rage is more strenuous than concentrating on a spell? And I"m always wary of using literary definitions of words that have specific mechanical definitions for a game. \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Jan 18 '18 at 17:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ @NautArch, I use the dictionary definition of strenuous because it's not otherwise given in the text (unlike rage, which is specifically defined differently for the game). Again, given that there aren't clear boundaries drawn in the game, I'm drawing from the descriptions given: meditation is consistent with concentration, but being supernaturally angry seems pretty strenuous to me. I also realize this is a weak argument, which is why I hedge a bit in my answer. \$\endgroup\$ – Icyfire Jan 18 '18 at 17:57
  • \$\begingroup\$ @NautArch I have significantly changed my answer based on the discussion in comments. \$\endgroup\$ – Icyfire Jan 18 '18 at 19:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ A 20th level barbarian can (sort-of) maintain a rage for longer than one minute by entering rage every minute for 8 hours. \$\endgroup\$ – Greenstone Walker Jan 18 '18 at 21:03
  • \$\begingroup\$ @GreenstoneWalker That's technically true, but then you wouldn't be able to sleep/trance, and so you wouldn't get the benefits of the rest. \$\endgroup\$ – Icyfire Jan 19 '18 at 17:13
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Yes, it is a strenuous activity.

Note that Crawford's tweet does not state nothing stops you from Concentrating during a Long Rest - only a Trance. Trance can be done without a Long Rest, although there are few reasons to do so.

Additionally note that the long rest reference does not cover the inverse statement: "Can you gain the benefits of a Long Rest, while Concentrating."

Long Rests

A Long Rest is ended by doing something considered light activity for more than 2 hours, or strenuous activity for more than 1 hour.

Definitions of Strenuous activity:

A long rest is a period of extended downtime, at least 8 hours long, during which a character sleeps or performs light activity: reading, talking, eating, or standing watch for no more than 2 hours. If the rest is interrupted by a period of strenuous activity—at least 1 hour of walking, fighting, casting Spells, or similar adventuring activity — the characters must begin the rest again to gain any benefit from it.

Raging appears to be strenuous, and is certainly not less than light

Raging seems pretty close to fighting or similar adventuring activity, and at the very least seems at least as intensive as keeping watch, reading or talking. If standing watch, reading or talking for no more than 2 hours is enough to lose the benefits of a long rest, I find it hard to imagine it is possible to either Concentrate or Rage throughout the whole rest.

Additionally, casting a spell for more than 1 hour is considered strenuous activity. Note that casting a spell for longer than 1 action uses Concentration. Rage and Concentration cannot coincide at the same time:

If you are able to cast spells, you can't cast them or concentrate on them while raging.

This implies Casting Spells and Raging uses a similar level of focus or mental/physical energy, as they are mutually exclusive.

Conclusion: Raging (and by extension, Concentration) cannot be done during a Long Rest for longer than 1 hour, or in a more generous ruling, 2 hours, without breaking a Long Rest.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ @KorvinStarmast the difference is you're maintaining a Rage for the full 8 hours of a long rest. Hold a glass of water for 1 hour with your arm outstretched, versus lifting a 10 lb bag of potatoes over your head once, then set it down. Tell me which is more strenuous. \$\endgroup\$ – Randomorph Jan 18 '18 at 17:42
  • \$\begingroup\$ I always read it as "1 hour of walking" or "fighting, etc." \$\endgroup\$ – Icyfire Jan 18 '18 at 17:43
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Icyfire I see, the comma separates a distinct group of things, and the one hour does not apply to the subsequent items. Makes sense. Randomorph, where does the question specify being in rage for 8 hours? \$\endgroup\$ – KorvinStarmast Jan 18 '18 at 17:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ @KorvinStarmast it was taken from this question where the conversation began. \$\endgroup\$ – Randomorph Jan 18 '18 at 17:48
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Icyfire this answer clarifies the wording of that sentence \$\endgroup\$ – Sdjz Jan 18 '18 at 17:53

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