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In 5th Edition which spells, like 'Suggestion' are not noticable (and which are) by the target (and/or nearby onlookers), and are there differences if a target fails or succeeds a save roll? I noticed only a few Enchantment spells mention a comment on it, like 'Charm Person' o 'Friends'.

Currently playing a Knowledge Domain Cleric with a different GM, please expand the answer to include Channel Divinity: Read Thoughts/Suggestion ability&spell combination. (The cleric ability which allows Suggestion to succeed automatically)

I'm Hungarian and very new to both 5th edition and this site, if I should change the format of my question please tell me how. Thank you.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ Welcome to the RPG Stack Exchange! You may want to rephrase the question if you can. Questions asking for lists of answers are not well-handled by the stack exchange system, so they are usually closed as unanswerable. Do you have a specific question that you can ask without asking for a list on this topic? \$\endgroup\$ – Rubiksmoose Feb 2 '18 at 14:28
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    \$\begingroup\$ Related meta on questions of the form "all X with property Y" \$\endgroup\$ – nitsua60 Feb 2 '18 at 14:45
  • \$\begingroup\$ I would recommend changing the title of the question to: "Does a target know it's under the effects of a charm/enhancement spell?" \$\endgroup\$ – Lino Frank Ciaralli Feb 2 '18 at 15:04
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    \$\begingroup\$ "please expand the answer to include ruling on Channel Divinity: Read Thoughts/Suggestion ability&spell combination." What do you mean by this? Can you clarify? Also, that sounds like it might belong in a separate question. Posts are best when they only focus on one question at a time. \$\endgroup\$ – Rubiksmoose Feb 2 '18 at 16:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ @LinoFrankCiaralli I tried to change my question according to suggestions. \$\endgroup\$ – Drake Feb 2 '18 at 22:27
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Unless the description states the target is aware of the spell, it is not automatically aware by default.

Spells only say what they do. If a target knew it was under the effects of a spell any time a spell was cast on it, then illusion spells would be wholly useless.

Since your question is about charms/enchantments, it's worth pointing out that these spells explicitly state when a target is aware. For example, Friends states the target knows it was magically compelled. Charm Person also states this.

An example of a spell that doesn't state this is Geas. At no point does it say that the affected creature is aware that it is under magical compulsion to obey the command. This is important because if you happen to be a Sorcerer, you could cast this as a subtle spell and the affected target would have absolutely no way to tell it had even been targeted by a magical effect.

By and large, the default for all magic effects is that something is unaware until they discover it through some mechanism. For instance, you would automatically see a fireball coming at you because it's not a hidden object. Whereas you may not notice a delayed blast fireball that's hidden above a door jamb as you passed under it. Other methods of discovering a spell is affecting you are things like, "Hey, the whole world is getting a lot bigger! Hmmmm.... I might be getting shrunk by an enlarge/reduce spell." Or, "How come I have hooves and oh my god I'm a goat." when targeted by a polymorph.

At the end of the day, the question you need to ask is, "Does the spell explicitly state that the creature is aware?"

Worthwhile contribution from Rubiksmoose:

"You and your companions might deduce that you were beguiled if evidence of the spell is found. It’s ultimately up to the DM whether you discover the presence of inconspicuous spells. Discovery usually comes through the use of skills like Arcana, Investigation, Insight, and Perception or through spells like detect magic." http://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/92279/28591

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    \$\begingroup\$ It may be worth noting that there are other ways to discover enchantment besides in the spell description: "You and your companions might deduce that you were beguiled if evidence of the spell is found. It’s ultimately up to the DM whether you discover the presence of inconspicuous spells. Discovery usually comes through the use of skills like Arcana, Investigation, Insight, and Perception or through spells like detect magic." rpg.stackexchange.com/a/92279/28591 \$\endgroup\$ – Rubiksmoose Feb 2 '18 at 17:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Rubiksmoose How would being charmed/suggested get handled (regarding awareness) if target is in front of you. In case the spell is not saved against or case when it got saved against? \$\endgroup\$ – Drake Feb 2 '18 at 22:33
  • \$\begingroup\$ @LinoFrankCiaralli Would in this case the correct use of Fey Presence (Warlock: Archfey patron) result in the targets not knowing their emotions/opinion was influenced by supernatural method? Even if they made successfull spell save check? \$\endgroup\$ – Drake Feb 2 '18 at 22:38
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Drake - Because it's such a short range (10 feet cube centered on the caster), it would take next to nothing to come to the realization that the warlock is making you feel that way. Of course, if you were in a crowd or some other situation where it wasn't just the warlock, then no, it wouldn't by default let you pinpoint the source. It comes down to logical cues and what seems reasonable. The part I added to the end of my answer covers something like this. It comes down to what would be considered reasonable. \$\endgroup\$ – Lino Frank Ciaralli Feb 2 '18 at 23:48

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