I was about to Theorycraft a Wizard PC with the final goal to become a Lich but I am unsure about what happens to the bonus given from stats to HP.
When in Human form it comes from Constitution, but what happens when you transform?
Does the Constitution stat gets erased and the bonus then comes from Charisma?

My doubt is that it's useless to Theorycraft a Wizard dumping Charisma to 7/8 if you plan to become a lich because you'll lose a whole lot of hit points when you transform.


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You lose them and recalculate your HPs with your Charisma. Since you have Cha as a dump stat, yes, you will lose a LOT of HPs. Better line up those wish and headband...

The lich does not need as many HPs because its philactery allows it to return from final death so you can return to take your vengeance upon those pesky adventurers...

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    \$\begingroup\$ You seem to imply in the second paragraph that this benefit balances out the immense loss of hp, but considering that a sorcerer could have that and the immense hp benefit of Cha-to-hp, that’s not really so. Rather, as with most everything in Pathfinder, becoming a lich is something you have to plan for long, long before actually becoming one—and, in all likelihood, well before the thought ever crossed the character’s mind. The rules simply don’t allow for spontaneous character development, and the punishments for trying can be incredibly harsh. I suggest recommending GM flexibility. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 14:01
  • \$\begingroup\$ Returning form the death is not an actual balance since you lose every piece of equipment previously owned \$\endgroup\$
    – A.Danzi
    Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 14:12
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    \$\begingroup\$ Does lichdom really need to be balanced though? Also, I'm pretty confident that lich's keep separate cache's of gear for just such an eventuality. Finally, I'm very confident that PC's aren't supposed to achieve lichdom. Pathfinder operates under the assumption that PC's do not get racial hit dice or templates. That's not to say you can't, only that the rules/balance are expected to fall apart in that situation. \$\endgroup\$ Commented Feb 14, 2018 at 16:07

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