Complete Mage contains a lesser eldritch essence, Spellblast (p.57), and a greater essence, Greatreach Blast (p.58), that allow a warlock to place an AOE or touch arcane spell, respectively, at the receiving end of his eldritch blast. The arcane spell must have a casting time no greater than 1 standard action, and the resultant eldritch essence has a cast time of 1 full round.

So the question is this: Can invocations that mimic an arcane spell such as Chilling Tentacles or Curse of Despair be used as the spell since spell-mimicking spell-like abilities sometimes count as the spell they are mimicking?


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Spell-like abilities count as the spell they are like for the purpose of prerequisites. And invocations that work like a particular spell, even though they have a different name, arguably also count as that spell.

But they never count as “a spell,” or collectively as “spells.” They can count as a particular spell called out by name in a prerequisite, but not as the general concept of spell. Something asking for black tentacles could probably be fulfilled with chilling tentacles, and definitely with a spell-like ability of black tentacles. But a requirement calling for “a spell” (or “ability to cast Xth-level spells”) isn’t going to accept an invocation or spell-like ability. Complete Arcane is quite explicit about this, stating that

requirements for feats and prestige classes based on specific levels of spells cast (“Able to cast 3rd-level arcane spells,” for example) cannot be met by spell-like abilities or invocations—not even by spell-like abilities or invocations that allow a character to use a specific arcane spell of the appropriate level or higher.

(Chapter Three, Prestige Classes, Invocations and Spell-like Abilities, pg. 72)

after a lengthy fluff explanation of why the skills used for spell-like abilities and invocations are not the same as those necessary for spellcasting.

And moreover, spellblast and greatreach blast are not requirements, they are abilities. It’s unclear if any of the above would apply to them anyway. By default, with nothing identifying spell-like abilities as equivalent to spells (for this purpose, anyway), they would not be.

So no, you cannot do this. Those class features require spells. Marrying spells to invocations, after all, is the entire point of eldritch theurge.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Those "class features" are presented as invocations, so it's possible that any warlock can learn them (vs spellweave that is presented as an Su class feature instead of as, say, a metamagic feat). Please also note that according to Complete Arcane p.71, the "sudden" line of metamagic feats can be applied to invocations and spell-like abilities -- they require casting a spell. This would imply that casting an invocation fulfills more requirements than would at first be expected. That's actually what brought up this discussion on the first place \$\endgroup\$ Mar 17, 2018 at 17:35
  • \$\begingroup\$ @WannabeWarlock They are special invocations not on the warlock invocation list; there is no way for a regular warlock to learn them. As for the Sudden line, that is an explicit (poorly-written) exception for those feats, that cannot be generalized outward. Especially considering how poorly-written that exception is—the only conceivable interpretation are that it is an exception, or that it’s a contradiction of the primary rule about invocations meeting requirements, and thus ignored per the errata rules. It cannot be read as overwriting the primary rule in general. \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Mar 17, 2018 at 17:47
  • \$\begingroup\$ Can you point to some rules reference to support what you've said here? I'd like to shore up the question tidily ;) \$\endgroup\$ Mar 22, 2018 at 23:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ @WannabeWarlock I consider the question rather thoroughly answered, conclusively and incontrovertibly. What do you consider to lack support here? \$\endgroup\$
    – KRyan
    Mar 22, 2018 at 23:16
  • \$\begingroup\$ Lack of citation. You have said things that may or may not be true, but you haven't given any evidence for your claims. I'm happy to mark the answer, but you haven't provided a single specific source to back your claims other than naming a whole book. \$\endgroup\$ Mar 23, 2018 at 0:51

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