For the sake of being answerable, I will state a specific scenario that happened to me some months ago while I was DMing. I would like to note that broader answers, that give general advice that applies to more situations than the one stated, will be gratefully received.

My Style of DMing

I am a DM that usually goes by the idea that every character and player should have their individual moments in the spotlight in order to feel important. During a session, I will try to give my players an opportunity to use their skill, that every optimizing guide said sucked, but they wanted to try anyway. Sadly, encouraging 'individual spotlight moments' usually means there will also be times when their PCs are in the shadow. Nonetheless, I think that deliberately encouraging 'spotlight moments' is a fun way to play the game. That said, I am open to answers suggesting how to provide the party with a more shared spotlight.

The Scenario

So, I was running this homebrew campaign with a 4-PC party. They had their Skill Monkey Face Bard, who was there for role playing and social interactions (in-game). Every time I said "You see a city", he would smile and think about all the talking he would get to do with every NPC I'd throw at him. He would make me create a name for every damn hobo in the city because he would talk to every single one. I was fine with this.

And then there was our Barbarian. I don't remember his stats accurately, but it was probably something like 8 CHA, 8 INT, 16 STR, 16 CON. Every time I said "You see a group of apparently hostile creatures" he would thank God he was playing D&D instead of watching a movie with his GF.

Here is the problem: the Barbarian (the player, not the PC) would get extremely distracted during the social interactions. And the Bard would get bored at every combat, most of the time just saying "I shoot my crossbow" - even when I was calling for him because he was supposed to write down his loot. He hadn't even realise that the combat was over, lol.

The Player's POV

I tried to talk to them, and both gave me a similar answer: They felt like there was nothing they could do. I tried to explain that in every situation there is something they could do to help the party, even if it is slightly OoC, I wouldn't mind if they were having more fun like that. But, I feel like I failed miserably explaining this to them. The Barbarian would keep feeling useless everytime we would do a role-playing section and the Bard would feel useless everytime we would do dungeon crawling.

The Question

Honestly, I feel like it is my fault that they were feeling useless. Maybe I was putting too much importance on rolls during social interacions, so yeah, the Barbarian would feel frustrated failing every attempt to do something. Maybe, during combat, I didn't give the Bard ways to explore his social spells in a fighting style.

Anyway, the general question is as the title: "How can I help my players not to feel useless?". Suggested sub-questions that I believe would help me are:

  • How do I avoid creating scenarios like this, where my players feel frustrated or useless?
  • How do I (or can I?) make my players understand that their characters can't succeed in everything, but that shouldn't stop them from trying to help the party the best they can?
  • What can I do, if my players already feel useless, to better fix things?

While similar to this question, it focuses on players that have different playstyles. In my case, the different preferences from the players actually came from the way they built their characters, and the feeling of being useless came when they were in a suboptimal situation for their characters. The same Barbarian played a Bard in another campaign and would happily go to cities. I obviously would not like (and my players probably wouldn't like this either), all the PCs to share the same strengths and then just to focus a campaign on that aspect of the game (eg. if everyone played charismatic social PCs and we only did social interaction and role-play).

Also related to this, but the system difference might make it hard to translate the answers (mainly, because I know nothing about the mentioned system). Specifically, I need a little more on the how, since I feel this is system-related.

Related to this and this question, but from the perspective of the DM, not a PC, and not limited to just combat, though combat is applicable.

  • \$\begingroup\$ @ShawnV.Wilson I would love for you to expand that into a full answer and put it below, but I do have to remove the comment and ask you to not answer in comments (even partially) going forwards. \$\endgroup\$
    – Someone_Evil
    Jul 20, 2020 at 19:40

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Low stats do not mean low participation.

Just because a character does not have high numbers in a particular stat does not mean they cannot participate in any particular encounter. As someone who's played a 5e bard, the fact that you and your player think they're worthless in combat is baffling to me. Why are they only shooting a crossbow when they're arguably one of the most versatile casters in the game?

Likewise, just because your barbarian has low CHA and INT doesn't mean they can't interact with NPCs. I've seen (and played) characters who were obnoxious, dumb oafs that nevertheless manage to engage in entertaining social interactions. A low CHA does not mean that you're shy--it just means you might be bad at lying, for example.

Ultimately, a character is more than their character sheet--they (ideally) have personalities, motivations, and preferences beyond their specific stats. In fact, it's sometimes more fun to have characters that are really bad at things they like to do, like a talkative CHA 6 character.

Explain this to your players.

Your players need to understand that they do not need to be slotted into specific gameplay niches. Most social interactions, for instance, don't actually require rolling checks--your barbarian can still talk to bartenders and ask for information. Likewise, almost every class has something useful to do in combat! Because you say that your players are willing to play both combat and RP, you should emphasize to your players that their gameplay is not fully determined by their stats. Instead of asking themselves, "Who has the best stats to engage in this interaction?" they should be asking, "What would my character be doing in this situation?"

This problem is also partially due to the players' self-imposed limitations. For example, if the bard doesn't have damaging spells, then they're throwing that part of their class away. How would you react to a fighter that refused to use a weapon? Hence, you need your players to accept that they should build characters that are useful in your campaign. When I played a bard, the only damaging spells I really used were Vicious Mockery, Dissonant Whispers, and Fireball--the rest were utility spells, and it worked well.

Create situations where character abilities are relevant.

Once you have buy-in from your players, you should build scenarios and encounters where players' abilities are relevant.

For social encounters, you can build in checks that are not CHA based. PHB 175 describes this variant:

Normally, your proficiency in a skill applies only to a specific kind of ability check... In some situations, though, your proficiency might reasonably apply to a different kind of check.

Therefore, your barbarian might be able to roll a Strength(intimidation) check to intimidate an NPC with a feat of strength, or a Constitution(performance) check to win a drinking game.

On the combat side, you can introduce intelligent enemies that will negotiate with the PCs during a combat. I've played and run a number of encounters that were half combat and half conversation--the skill monkey could play tricks that cause goblins to run away in fear, for example.

You'll have to be careful not to overuse these "crossover" tricks, lest you devalue the other side, but they're a useful tool to allow talkers to participate in combat and combatants to participate in talking.

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    \$\begingroup\$ His spell selection was mostly social, and they would frequently fight monsters that weren't affected by them. I don't think Bard itself is bad in combat, but his specific build was. \$\endgroup\$
    – HellSaint
    Apr 20, 2018 at 14:30
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    \$\begingroup\$ I can't count how many times our barbarian was brash/impatient during a conversation that led to "fun" complications. "This stupid, you stupid, I'm going to go get drunk" and leaving is not how you negotiate with royalty. I'm surprised your parties barbarian is so well trained. Despite us always telling him to shut his face, he still speaks all the damn time. ;) OOC, this could potentially turn into My Guy Syndrome, but with a little moderation it adds to the game. \$\endgroup\$ Apr 20, 2018 at 18:03
  • \$\begingroup\$ @HellSaint It's kind of on you as a DM, then, since you pit the players against creatures that are immune to what a character can do. I'll edit the answer to somewhat address this issue. \$\endgroup\$
    – Icyfire
    Apr 20, 2018 at 20:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Icyfire I don't disagree, and I even mention it on the question. I'm surely guilt in putting them against spiders and Psychic-immune (such as Animated Armor) (as an early example) that wouldn't be affected by most of our bard spells. By the time, these enemies were what made more sense (within the setting) to me, though. The question is mostly for me (and other DMs) to not make the same mistakes again. \$\endgroup\$
    – HellSaint
    Apr 20, 2018 at 20:36
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    \$\begingroup\$ "What would my character be doing in this situation?" => this. I remember playing a Gnome Wizard (years ago, in another edition) with very low Charisma. Every single time he would try to impress the audience/woe the girls, and he was completely oblivious to them rolling their eyes, sighing, and finding excuses to get out of there. Left alone? No problem he'd just go find someone else to talk to... It was generally useless, but it was pretty fun to role-play. And once in a while, he managed to attract the wrong kind of attention: Oh! Plot hook! \$\endgroup\$ Apr 21, 2018 at 16:03

Bards are powerful spell casters and inspiration is always nice. There is no reason for them to waste their actions to shoot crossbows.

Barbarians can be good in social encounters. Say the bard fails at persuasion. The barbarian steps up and says "Me tired of talking. You give us now or I smash".

Your players seem to not know that or have given up on that due to previous failures. In order to fix that you can just tell them out of character or better in character via NPCs (that's what they are there for).

Put an arena with 1on1 fights in a town so that naturally the barbarian wants to participate, just to get wrecked by a bard with Charm Person making the barbarian dance to the crowd's amusement (ideally pick spells that your bard actually has).

Have the person in need of intimidation say to the bard "I'm not afraid of you! What are you gonna do? Sing at me?". If that is not enough hinting you could demonstrate it with a frail person getting backed up by some muscle.

Additionally you could mix it up a little. Combat encounters in towns make them worth paying attention to for the barbarian. Giving enemies in the dungeon enough character to be negotiated with might enable the bard.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Another suggestion for a "city combat" scenario: While running around the city talking to everyone, the bard accidentally gets the attention of a secret conspiracy who think he's on to them (maybe he learns something he shouldn't?) and send out thugs... The whole thing ends with the Barbarian in a bar fight, while the Bard is standing outside the front door trying to fast-talk the city guard into believing that "there's nothing wrong here, move along!" \$\endgroup\$ Apr 20, 2018 at 12:46

First of all, I don't think the GM should be responsible for making sure the players get things to do that they want to do (or "can" do if we're talking build). You might want to let their creativity flow and allow them to create situations or even narrative elements.

Then, use less rolls, and when rolling make sure every outcome is interesting. No roll should ever end up with "nothing happens". The bottomline here is that it's probably more interesting to embrace failure as a fact of life (including adventurers' life) than to try to avoid it at all cost. If RPGs are about "playing to see what's going to happen", failure is as valid an option as anything else. In combat, let them use the environment in addition to their abilities. Don't have them ask but let them assume there is a big rock they can push on the baddies on this ledge they might reach with whatever climbing skill they have.

You might want to dip your toes into "Powered by the Apocalypse" games to get used to this (if you want a D&D-like setting, Dungeon World comes to mind).

Have fun!

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    \$\begingroup\$ Yup, 'nothing happens' on fails is a historical problem with straight-played D&D. A "You missed the bandit with you crossbow because he ducked behind a wagon just in time that was rolled down the hill! But wait! It looks somewhat flammable and like a few bandits would definitely be distracted from your friends if you messed with their loot somehow..." is SO much more interesting for players and also doesn't make the PC look like an idiot (at least not due to a bad luckj streak of rolls). And suddenly Illusion magic or all kinds of stuff could be used to hold the loot 'hostage'. :) \$\endgroup\$
    – psycoatde
    Apr 20, 2018 at 9:07

Point out the Dunning Kruger effect to your Barbarian player. The fact that people with low Inteligence/Social Skills don't have the Inteligence/Social Skills to know they are bad at it. Leading to them in general trying to help even if they make things worse. This will probably make social interactions much more interesting for everyone as they try to fix the Barbarians blunders.


Spotlight moments =/= spotlight sessions.
It sounds like the bard spends hours (in real time) interacting with NPCs in cities while the barbarian spends hours in dungeon crawls. Mixing those two instead of having two separate modes of play would help; cultists could attack the group at night in the inn, or a tribe of goblins could be persuaded to trade the MacGuffin for something. So instead of having 10 "bard rounds" and 10 "barb rounds" you have 1 bard, 1 barb, 4 bard, 2 bard etc; variety is the spice of life.

It might be necessary to tweak the environment; fighting in an extremely civilized/lawful/peaceful city and not being thrown to jail sounds unlikely while doing that somewhere where "might is right" is more plausible.

Gradient between optimally designed for and useless
You could try to design problems that can be solved in multiple ways. You can also make allowances for the type of checks required; there's a variant (Skills with different abilities) that allows you to use strength for intimidation and similar substitutions, assuming they make sense.

On the other hand, this could be almost impossible if the builds don't have a bit of an overlap. In which case perhaps the only solution is to explain that yes, if you build a character that's not only optimized for one situation but also handicapped in every other situation, you'll be bored. Some ways to work toward a solution:

  1. the bard could acquire some wands
  2. The bard can be allowed to swap some spells.

  3. The barbarian could go talk to NPCs in the rougher areas of the city, where things are more likely to be settled with a fight or a display of strength.(Use Strength for intimidation/persuasion rather than charisma, as noted above)


Social situations for barbarians:

The party has to negotiate with a tribal leader. He basically has no respect for anyone who doesn't come from a similar background. Either he insists on dealing mainly with the barbarian, or at the very least, will speak to the bard after his "Champion" beats the leader in wrestling or practice-sword combat.

The party has to negotiate with a high-born countess who treats the bard as someone who's simply blocking her view of the muscular, shirtless fellow who's so different from the skinny fops who usually surround her (like your bard). Maybe all the barbarian needs to do is tell some stories of his exploits while she sits on his lap...


You mentioned (in a comment) that the Bard selected spells that are largely social and the group tends to fight things that are not affected by the spells. You can change up what they encounter! If you can't change them for narrative reasons, then you could substitute stat blocks or immunities! If your Bard can't use his abilities effectively in combat at all, then it's reasonable to think that the player might become bored.

If your Bard actively wants to participate in combat, you proabably can figure out a way to make it fun. But, if the player chose abilities, that are great out of combat, and poor in combat, because he wanted to excel at social encounters only, then it might be the case that the Bard and the Barbarian are simply not interested in playing the same kind of game. SIMS the tabletop game is not the same as Dungeon Crawler 5.


The first thing that came to mind was a combined encounter event. Think Scottish Highlands. Something like where caber tossing and other strength-based events must be combined with witty repartee and/or personal theme music which is played whenever the contestant's turn is up.

Somehow I suddenly thought of Kronk:

Kronk's theme song


There's two parts to this. What the players want and what they're able to achieve. You probably need to work on both halves in turn.

Do the players WANT to participate in the areas they're not optimised for? If not, you need to deal with that first. If player #1 wants 100% social and player #2 wants 100% combat, they may just never enjoy the same game.

But if they'd like to, what can you do? One thing is to try to include things any player can contribute to, regardless of their stats. e.g. make it tactically relevant WHICH orc gets crossbow'd, encourage barbarian to play up their barbarian in conversation even if it's just humour rather than plot. After all what the bard is doing is a lot because they want to rather than because the party need to.

Ideally, have a mix of both. Investigate a thieves guild, which involves a lot of fast talking but might turn to fighting at any moment. Include prisoners, surviving enemies, etc, in combat the bard can talk to.

Even consider, having two things, preferably related, going on at once.

From the other angle, ask if they'd like to be mechanically more relevant, and try to enable that by suggesting actions (or build changes) for them to make, or by including more of a mix in combat: one character frantically sawing at a rope bridge while the other negotiates/fights; or they monsters pushing human slaves into battle the bard might be able to talk to; etc.


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