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Our Barbarian has a Flame Tongue longsword.

While the sword is ablaze, it deals an extra 2d6 fire damage to any target it hits.

When the Barbarian crits, he doubles all the weapons damage dice, and then adds a few more due to Brutal Critical. In other words, assuming first rank of Brutal Critical (for simplicity), a crit would give him 1d8+2d6 (regular damage) + 1d8+2d6 (critical damage) + X (brutal critical damage). If I understand correctly, X will be a single die, like 1d8.

However, we have argued that maybe it could be 1d6 (if the Barbarian wanted to deal fire damage instead of slashing damage). We are also not positive if this is correct, or if maybe we should be adding 1 of each die, so X would be 1d8+1d6.

When weapons have different damage dice, how does Brutal Critical interact with them?

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Following the discussion here, where a weapon's extra damage also counts as weapon damage dice, then

You can choose either 1d8 slashing or 1d6 fire extra damage for your Brutal Criticals.

Crawford supports this idea with the tweet:

Savage Attacks: add 1 of a weapon's dice to a crit. again. Frost brand is a wpn. w/ 1d6 cold as 1 of its dice

For Frost Brand, which has a very similar wording to Flame Tongue, you can add the frost damage dice to the Orc's Savage Attacks, not only the sword's damage. Therefore, we can extrapolate and assume Flame Tongue behaves similarly with the Barbarian's Brutal Critical.

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The barbarian* can choose which die to add.

Weapons (PHB, page 146 (emphasis mine))

The Weapons table shows the most common weapons used in the worlds of d&d, their price and weight, the damage they deal when they hit, and any special properties they possess.

Following that, a regular longsword shown on the equipments table deals 1d8 damage when they hit. The weapon die is 1d8 slashing. The Flame Tongue, when activated deals 1d8 slashing + 2d6 fire damage when it hits. So the weapon die for an activated Flame Tongue is 1d8 slashing + 2d6 fire.

Further assisted by the wording of Flame Tongue (emphasis mine):

While the sword is ablaze, it deals an extra 2d6 fire damage to any target it hits.

Note it is not an additional effect that is dealing the extra damage but the sword itself. That is the same wording as the quote from Weapons (PHB 146). Saying "The sword deals 1d8 + 2d6 when it hits." means that it's the weapon die.

The Brutal Criticals feature specifies one die instead of saying roll weapon die one additional time, or something similar, that eliminates rolling one of each type. So a barbarian that crits with an activated Flame Tongue can choose either 1d8 slashing or 1d6 fire to add as extra damage from Brutal Criticals.


*: Blake Steel pointed out the barbarian may not be the one choosing which die Brutal Critical adds.

[...]do you have any evidence to back up that they can choose which damage dice...

Brutal Critical says:

You can roll one additional weapon damage die when determining the extra damage for a critical hit with a melee Attack.

There is no RAW about what happens if said weapon has more than one type of die. Since someone has to choose which die is added, in the absence of anything contradicting we can say the barbarian can choose the effects of his own feature.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ You've answered this other, clarifying, question pretty well, but do you have any evidence to back up that they can choose which damage dice, assuming that it is possible that they have choice (which is what you've shown)? \$\endgroup\$ Jul 17, 2018 at 13:47
  • \$\begingroup\$ Brutal Critical only says: "you can roll one additional weapon damage die when determining the extra damage for a critical hit with a melee Attack. " There is no info about what happens if said weapon has more than one type of die. The logical assumption, or conclusion if you will, is that someone has to choose which die. In the absence of anything contradicting we can say the barbarian can choose the effects of his own feature. \$\endgroup\$
    – FenrirG
    Jul 17, 2018 at 14:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ @BlakeSteel I feel like he would be able to choose that by default, don't see the need for any evidence. I've added above comments to my answer. \$\endgroup\$
    – FenrirG
    Jul 18, 2018 at 14:12
  • \$\begingroup\$ I wasn't saying that the DM might be able to choose. The OP's answer is what I was talking about where it gives some designer intent on the matter as evidence. \$\endgroup\$ Jul 18, 2018 at 14:36
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    \$\begingroup\$ @BlakeSteel Well RAW doesn't need evidence, it's all in the books. \$\endgroup\$
    – FenrirG
    Jul 18, 2018 at 17:41
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The fire damage is not weapon damage, but they are all part of the attack damage.

Brutal Critical says "you can roll one additional weapon damage die" (you get more dice at higher level).

The rules for critical hits say "roll all of the attack's damage dice twice and add them together"

So, RAW, you do not have a choice of which dice to add for Brutal Critical. In your example it would be the 1d8 (slashing) for the weapon die

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    \$\begingroup\$ Can you clarify why the fire damage is not weapon damage? Text text says "While the sword is ablaze, it [the sword] deals an extra 2d6 fire damage...". That does seem a lot like weapon damage when a sword does it? \$\endgroup\$
    – J.E
    Jul 17, 2018 at 10:36
  • \$\begingroup\$ @J.E - the fire damage is magical/bonus damage not weapon damage, it just happens to be tied to the swords attack. \$\endgroup\$
    – ravery
    Jul 17, 2018 at 11:32
  • \$\begingroup\$ @J.E: This is similar to the half-orc's racial ability to add a weapon damage die, which has already been clarified in other posts here and by Jeremy Crawford. And the magical item's description simply doesn't say that it adds weapon damage dice; it says it adds fire damage. So that's what it does. \$\endgroup\$
    – PJRZ
    Jul 17, 2018 at 11:42
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    \$\begingroup\$ @PJRZ I see your point, but what I actually want to see is any rules defining what is (or isn't) weapon damage. So far, I've seen one tweet by Crawford stateting that falling damage isn't weapon damage (duh!), not much else. Is there anything that states that something is weapon damage? Because if not, then I would asume that the natural language definition would take place and that'd mean (as I see it, which is not gospel, by any means) that any dmg dealt by any weapon (even as extra, and even improvised) would be weapon damage. I hope it's now clearer what I mean. \$\endgroup\$
    – J.E
    Jul 17, 2018 at 12:18
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    \$\begingroup\$ Let's clarify this point here: What are weapon damage dice? \$\endgroup\$
    – BlueMoon93
    Jul 17, 2018 at 12:38

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