Many spells that inflict AOE damage over the course of more than one turn describe that the subject takes the damage when it enters the area or starts its turn there.

I quote for example the PHB spell cloud of daggers:

A creature takes 4d4 slashing damage when it enters the spell's area for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there. (PHB, p. 222)

It seems pretty clear, but I had some doubts in a peculiar situation. We were fighting some underground worms and our party's sorceress readied the cloud of daggers spell to target the first enemy that would have appeared. A worm jumped out of the ground and she cast the spell, but she fell unconscious right away (the worm attacked her) and so the monster didn't actually start any turn in the area nor moved in, so the master negated the damage.

Rationally it makes little sense to me that for one turn it stayed in the cloud and still didn't take damage. Did I misunderstand how the events took place?

My questions are:

  1. Do you know a rule/official tweet that explains more deeply this kind of situation?
  2. How could the situation be described so that it would have made sense?
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    – V2Blast
    Jun 22, 2020 at 0:42

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Your understanding is correct

To reiterate what happened:

  1. Sorceress readies cloud of daggers to cast on the first enemy that appears.
  2. Worm appears.
  3. Sorceress casts cloud of daggers on top of the worm.
  4. Worm attacks Sorceress.
  5. Sorceress loses consciousness and spell vanishes.

The only two times a creature takes damage from cloud of daggers is:

A creature takes 4d4 slashing damage when it enters the spell's area for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there. (PHB 222)

And you are correct in saying that neither happened in this case.

But, in a Sage Advice article, it is officially clarified:

Our design intent for such spells is this: a creature enters the area of effect when the creature passes into it. Creating the area of effect on the creature or moving it onto the creature doesn't count. If the creature is still in the area at the start of its turn, it is subjected to the area’s effect. [...]

In summary, a spell like moonbeam affects a creature when the creature passes into the spell’s area of effect and when the creature starts its turn there. You’re essentially creating a hazard on the battlefield.

The worm could have taken damage if the Sorceress had cast it differently

If the Sorceress had cast cloud of dagger ahead of the worm instead of on top of it, then it would have taken damage for entering the spell's area. Of course (as @NautArch pointed out), if they cast it this way, the worm could either move around it or choose to not go through it at all. But even if it chooses this, the AOE has served some battlefield control purpose and likely kept the Sorceress conscious. So still a possible win.

How to make it make sense

This was probably just a case of the player not thinking the exact wording of the spell through enough and expecting it to work a different way. In cases like these, I as DM would have simply allowed the player to place the cloud 5 feet further from the monster such that is enters the area and takes damage. So that would have been one way to fix this issue.

Another would be to narratively describe it in a way that makes sense. For example, "The worm charged through the cloud of daggers just as the daggers were still forming, taking no damage and knocking Sorceress out before the daggers could pierce its thick hide."

  • \$\begingroup\$ I like your answer. I didn't really think about casting it ahead of the worm and it's a good solution. As a DM I would also have explained it as you said: the cloud started to form but vanished too fast to deal any damage to the worm \$\endgroup\$ Aug 27, 2018 at 20:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ @YED-YellowEndlessDog Buyer beware, though as Rubiksmoose has said: the worm would likely have just avoided the 5' cube and if it had enough movement it would resulted in the same events. \$\endgroup\$
    – NotArch
    Aug 27, 2018 at 20:49
  • \$\begingroup\$ I didn't said it because I wanted to be brief, but in fact we were in a tunnel 15 foot large and the worm was large. Unless it digged under the cloud, it couldn't have just avoided it. \$\endgroup\$ Aug 27, 2018 at 20:55

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