Could you settle this argument for us, please — if you are proficient in smith's tools, are you able to smith magic items (swords, shields, armour), provided you are at the correct level and have the requisite materials and time?

I’ve read through Xanathar’s Guide to Everything, the DMG, and the Player’s Handbook. Page 129 of Xanathar’s says you need the proficiency, or Arcana.

My interpretation is that you need just one, so you are able to smith magic items as long as you are proficient in smithing and have the requisite materials, but it obviously won’t be able to make anything that has spell effects, like invisibility, since I cannot cast that.

The other party’s interpretation of Xanathar’s is that you need Arcana as well as the tool proficiency.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Is there any reason you think this can or can't be done? Have you read through the rules for crafting magic items in the DMG and subsequently Xanathar's Guide to Everything? What rules exactly are in conflict here that need clarifying? \$\endgroup\$ – Purple Monkey Sep 23 '18 at 23:04
  • \$\begingroup\$ I’ve read through the books and the above is my interpretation of it, that being you are able to smith magic items as long as you are proficient in smithing and have the requisite materials, but it obviously won’t be able to make anything that has spell effects, like invisibility since I cannot cast that. I’ve read through xanathars and DMG and player’s handbook. On pg129 of xanathar’s it says you need the proficiency, or arcana. but, the other party interprets it as, you need arcana as well as the profiency \$\endgroup\$ – Shaun1nuahs Sep 23 '18 at 23:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ Essentially I’m trying to get other rulings on this so we can come to a parity on the ruling of it. \$\endgroup\$ – Shaun1nuahs Sep 23 '18 at 23:28
  • \$\begingroup\$ Are you the DM or the player? \$\endgroup\$ – NautArch Mar 13 at 17:48

The DMG says smith's tools alone are not enough, and you also require a spellcaster; but as per Xanathar's Guide it's allowable if your DM says so.

Two sources have rules for magic item crafting: the Dungeon Master's Guide, and Xanathar's Guide to Everything. The latter presents an alternative rules which may be used, meaning it's up to your DM whether they use the DMG rules, the Xanathar's rules, or something else.

Dungeon Master's Guide

The Dungeon Master's Guide, p. 128, defines that it's entirely up to the DM how the players craft items, or whether it's possible at all:

Magic items are the DM’s purview, so you decide how they fall into the party’s possession. As an option, you can allow player characters to craft magic items.

It describes the process necessary to create magic items:

The creation of a magic item is a lengthy, expensive task. To start, a character must have a formula that describes the construction of the item. The character must also be a spellcaster with spell slots and must be able to cast any spells that the item can produce. [...] You [the DM] can decide that certain items also require special materials or locations to be crafted. [...] Multiple characters can combine their efforts if each of them meets the level prerequisite. Each character can contribute spells, spell slots, and components, as long as everyone participates during the entire crafting process.

The DMG appears to define that you require a spellcaster to craft items. However, it's possible that a non-spellcaster with smithing tools may contribute "components", if the DM decides that one of the formula's components is a crafted item like the actual crafted sword to be enhanced, which is entirely plausible. Smithing tools can make a sword, but it takes a spellcaster to make a magical sword.

In other words, as per the DMG it's heavily up to the DM. This is different to earlier editions of the game, which more strictly defined the item creation formulae.

Xanathar's Guide to Everything

These rules are expanded upon in Xanathar's Guide to Everything, p. 128, which defines that you must have either smithing tool proficiency or the Arcana skill proficiency to make magic weapons:

To complete a magic item, a character also needs whatever tool proficiency is appropriate, as for crafting a nonmagical object, or proficiency in the Arcana skill.

The rules in Xanathar's Guide doesn't say you need to be a spellcaster. Since your DM alone decides the formula, it's 100% up to your DM whether or not you need a spellcaster. In that case, it's possible, if your DM decides it, that you can craft certain magic items with smithing tools alone.

  • \$\begingroup\$ Okay that’s cool, how do do the rulings in xanthar’s fit in to that then? Pg129. And if you were crafting like +1 armour or Mithril or adamantine armour would that require spell casting? \$\endgroup\$ – Shaun1nuahs Sep 23 '18 at 23:45
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    \$\begingroup\$ The crafting system in Xanathar is optional. It's 100% up to your DM whether to use it, and 100% up to your DM whether the formula for any individual item requires a spellcaster or not. \$\endgroup\$ – Quadratic Wizard Sep 23 '18 at 23:53

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