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TL;DR: Does the Celestial Armor require medium armor proficiency?

I found the Celestial Armor which said that it is a medium armor Chainmail+3, and is light enough to be considered as light armor.

But, does it work just like a Chainmail made from Celestial Mithral, which then makes the armor light enough to be considered as light armor, but still requires medium armor proficiency? After all, it does seem to be made from it, even if it doesn't state it.

When checking other armors, I found the Elven Chain which state that it is a Chainmail, but should be considered as light armor, even from the proficiency point of view. But it also state that it is made from Mithral unlike the Celestial Armor.

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Paizo creative director James Jacobs in a 2010 Paizo message board post, in part, says

Celestial armor is not mithral—it's actually made of silver or gold (as mentioned in its description), and thus doesn't gain any of the standard modifiers for being mithral at all. It's its own thing. Its lower arcane spell failure and higher max Dex bonus are a result of its magical qualities, not what it's made out of. In addition, this magic allows folks to wear it as if it were light armor—the mithral versions don't do this because mithral isn't fundamentally magical like the enhancements on celestial armor.

Thus, according to Jacobs, this FAQ entry on proficiency with mithral armors doesn't apply to celestial armor, making it so folks who are only proficient with light armor can wear the celestial armor normally.

While not a rules guy, Jacobs frequently fields technical and not-so-technical Pathfinder questions, and his opinions often carry at least some weight with fans. Even if such opinions aren't officially official, they're often the best fans can expect.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ As he is an official from the company, its words mean that they are the words from the company (unless said otherwise by the company). \$\endgroup\$ – vdubus Dec 2 '18 at 10:11
  • \$\begingroup\$ @vdubus O, I agree, I only hedge because some folks here in the past have (rightly, in my opinion) pointed out that Jacobs isn't an official rules source, even though he may be an official Pathfinder source. Bulhman, for instance, were he to say differently, would—for lack of a better term—outrank Jacobs's pronouncement. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Dec 2 '18 at 15:27
  • \$\begingroup\$ Chain mail is medium armor, his wording makes it sound like mitral for being treated like light instead of medium, so it should still required med prof. \$\endgroup\$ – Fering Dec 2 '18 at 20:10
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Fering RE: Jacobs's "wording makes it sound like mit[h]ral for being treated like light instead of medium, so it should still required med[ium armor] prof[iciency]." I'm sorry, but I can't determine the antecedents of the its in that sentence. I mean, mithral chainmail, according to the FAQ and Jacobs, really does require medium armor proficiency. Jacobs here is just making it clear that the FAQ entry applies to mithral armors and doesn't apply to celestial armor because celestial armor straight up is not mithral. \$\endgroup\$ – Hey I Can Chan Dec 2 '18 at 20:18
  • \$\begingroup\$ Im not trying to apply just mithral to it, just that armors being treated as light when its medium still require the proficiency of medium \$\endgroup\$ – Fering Dec 2 '18 at 20:21
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No, Celestial Armor does not require medium armor proficiency.

Compare these texts:

From Celestial Armor

It is considered light armor.

Versus from Mithral (my emphasis)

Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.

In otherwords, Mithral medium armor acts like light armor in many ways. Celestial Chainmail is light armor.

(I think James Jacob's explanation--quoted in another answer--is helpful, and agrees with this conclusion, but in this case the written rules themselves are a more primary source.)

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It does not say it is light enough to be considered light armor. The text clearly states that it is a light armor.

It is considered light armor

Therefor you don't need medium armor proficiency.

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    \$\begingroup\$ Why is this answer being downvoted? It correctly cites the rules for the Celestial Armor. \$\endgroup\$ – MikeQ Dec 1 '18 at 19:52
  • \$\begingroup\$ @MikeQ, I don't know, but I suppose that it is because I was asking if the considered part was working like for armors made of Mithral, or if it was really meaning that it was a light armor. After all, the Elven Chain does specify that it is light armor, even from the proficiency point of view. \$\endgroup\$ – vdubus Dec 3 '18 at 10:56
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Yes, you still need medium.

Located under the special materials rules for mithral in the FAQ

Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.

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    \$\begingroup\$ The question is asking about Celestial Armor, not mithral armor. \$\endgroup\$ – MikeQ Dec 1 '18 at 19:53
  • \$\begingroup\$ Both are considered light armor, and since the celestial armor is made out of most likely celestial mithral, it applies \$\endgroup\$ – Fering Dec 1 '18 at 20:07
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    \$\begingroup\$ Could you provide a source saying that Celestial Armor is made from mithral? \$\endgroup\$ – MikeQ Dec 1 '18 at 20:09
  • \$\begingroup\$ I cant because since its a specific magic item they didnt feel that such details were important to provide to us, but chainmail is 40 pounds normally so it must be made out of something that provides the weight reduction, so since it does not also provide DR as if it were Adamantine and its still metal and not wood, so it must be mithral as there are no other early special materials that reduce the weight. \$\endgroup\$ – Fering Dec 1 '18 at 21:32

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