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In some answers I saw in the last year that were focussing on the Storyteller system of WoD, someone answered with the Storytelling system of the CoD in mind, usually noticeable by referencing to the wrong game or outright calling it out.

What are the main mechanical differences between the two game lines?

This is not about:

  • background of the splats
  • specific abilities of the splats
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Jadasc core mechanics, and I tagged 1e \$\endgroup\$ – Trish Jan 29 '19 at 13:24
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Fixed Target Number on Dice

Storyteller uses variable Difficulties (target numbers) that vary by circumstances.
In Storytelling, the target number you need to roll for a die to be counted as a success is fixed at 8, and any situational modifiers are applied to the total number of dice you roll (your "die pool").

Botches

In Storyteller, a botch is defined as rolling at least one 1, and either zero successes, or fewer successes than 1's, thus giving a possibility of a botch on any roll.

In Storytelling, a botch is only possible when rolling a Chance Die (when your pool has been penalised into the ground).

In the second edition of Chronicles of Darkness, (still called Storytelling just to maximize confusion) Dramatic Failures are available whenever you fail a Chance Die or whenever you simply fail a roll and you agree to take a DF in return for a fraction of an XP (a "Beat").

Different Attributes

Storytelling tried to shift to a more uniform 3×3 matrix of attributes, cross-referencing power, finesse and resiliance against the physical, social and mental. Some attributes differ drastically as a result. Also, how some derivative characteristics are calculated or even what they are differs.

Willpower Uses

In Storyteller, using WP gives automatic successes.
In Storytelling, it provides bonus dice. Also, how the base Willpower rating is calculated or purchased varies.

Different Virtues

Virtues in Storyteller are primarily a VtM thing, and are ratings.
In Storytelling, a Virtue and a Vice are more like Archetypes which you choose from a list. They provide some game-mechanical effects for when you recover Willpower.

Distinct vs. Unified Attack/Damage Rolls

In Storyteller, you roll to hit, the enemy rolls to dodge/parry/block, then if you hit you roll damage and the enemy rolls soak.
In Storytelling, the attack/damage roll is a unified thing, and the unified defence value is subtracted from the attack; attacks are resolved in a single roll; this means that weapon value de facto improves your chance to hit, but usually doesn't guarantee a minimum damage.

Humanity for Vampires vs. Morality for Everyone#

In Storyteller, Humanity is largely a VtM thing, not something applied across the system.
In Storytelling, all mortals start out with a morality mechanic, but it can be adjusted for different splats (e.g. the specific sins may be different between mortals and splats; names may also change).

Flaws

In Storyteller, Flaws give you Freebies immediately, and 'stay on', complicating the character's life when relevant (e.g. bad sight making vision-related perception rolls and some other rolls harder).
In Storytelling, Flaws don't normally grant any points immediately, but when a flaw complicates a character's life, that character's player receives an experience reward (with a limit on frequency).

Representation of Speed in Combat

Not something specific to any one splat, but while in Storyteller, characters who are significantly faster than others in fluff are also significantly faster in crunch, i.e. someone who's twice as fast as a normal human (whether due to time-warping, vampiric speed or whatever) acts that many times more often. In Storytelling, such representation is avoided.


A Word on Compatibility and Portability

The two systems are significantly more different than than the differences between any two of the pre-anniversary editions of World of Darkness Storyteller system variants. I would say that Storyteller and Storytelling are approximately as different as (pre-anniversary) Storyteller and Exalted 2e. A character made for one would not be playable in another without a lengthy conversion.

That being said, individual subsystems are at times close enough to enable portability - using a subsystem from one with minimal adjustments to use with the other. For example, it's possible to replace Nature and Demeanour with Virtues and Vices, or vice versa, and retain a playable system, and even be able to use many (most? all?) abilities intended for one with the other. Similarly, I've heard of people who use Mage the Awakening magick game mechanics to run a Mage the Ascension campaign, and say that the net effect from the change was an improvement. The portability of individual subsystem varies however - e.g. combat is so radically different that porting over mechanics from one system to another is likely to either break a lot of stuff, or require a lot of adjustments.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ @KieranMullen "Each die that rolls a result of 8, 9 or 10 is considered a success." (Corebook, page 32.) Are Beats and failure-pacts part of CoD1e? Because AFAIK they came about much later, around the era of CoD2e/B&S. \$\endgroup\$ – vicky_molokh Jan 29 '19 at 17:56
  • \$\begingroup\$ @KieranMullen I must admit that I know next to nothing about CoD2e. I bailed out early in the CoD1e era, after finding that the changes Storytelling/CoD1e (then confusingly called just 'world of darkness' without any other identifiers) enacted to fix Storyteller's/WoD's problems felt like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me (that's my experience; I know it's different for other people). Perhaps you can make a post comparing the two editions of Storytelling/CoD? Or add a section to mine (but that would deprive you of reputation, so probably better make your own post). \$\endgroup\$ – vicky_molokh Jan 29 '19 at 18:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ I misread what you meant by "target number" (number to roll on dice vs. number of successes needed). I deleted my comments and will submit an edit on your answer making the very minor correction I mentioned. Rep Points aren't a big deal to me. \$\endgroup\$ – Kieran Mullen Jan 30 '19 at 22:04

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