# Explanation for viper stats [closed]

I am making a level 11 witch. Looking at the viper familiar bonus for perception it's +9. What gives?

I know 4 is from race, and 1 is from WIS. Where is the other 4 from?

Ranks: 11
Race: 4
Class skill: 3
Wis: 1
Mystery: 4?

Total: 23?

Also, why is the bite damage 1d2-2. STR mod is -3. Shouldn't it be 1d2-3?

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• I understood most of the question but what is that other calculation starting with Ranks: 11 and getting a total of 23? – Sdjz Mar 13 at 18:12
• wizard/witch familiars use the master's ranks to calculate the bonus – FrancisJohn Mar 13 at 18:12
• I agree that as-asked, this question is unclear. – goodguy5 Mar 13 at 18:52
• What are you using to get +23? I'm not seeing a problem with the normal viper's Perception skill: 1 rank +3 class skill +1 Wis +4 racial bonus = +9 bonus. That means a level 11 witch that's maxed out Perception would give her viper 11 ranks +3 class skill +1 Wis +4 racial bonus = +19 bonus. Where's +23 from? – Hey I Can Chan Mar 13 at 19:03
• Kyle's answer explained it. I didn't know it had one rank to start with as a class skill – FrancisJohn Mar 13 at 19:16