# Can I create an upright 7-foot × 5-foot wall with the Minor Illusion spell?

The Minor Illusion spell description states:

If you create an image of an object—such as a chair, muddy footprints, or a small chest—it must be no larger than a 5-foot cube. The image can’t create sound, light, smell, or any other sensory effect. Physical interaction with the image reveals it to be an illusion, because things can pass through it.

(emphasis mine). My question is how to interpret the position of this cube. If we rotate the cube vertically so that it looks like a diamond from the side (the cube in red in the drawing), i.e. the diagonal of that side of the cube is vertical, then a 7ft by 5ft wall would certainly fit, since the diagonal (the blue line) is about 7ft long:

Much better drawing thanks to @Sdjz:

Is this "layout" of a cube valid for the Minor Illusion spell?

Note that this could potentially change the argument of the answer to "Can I use Minor Illusion to create a wall, hide behind it, and attack with advantage?".

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## Yes, though a DM might not want to deal with abnormal spell positioning

Using 5-foot squares, does cloud of daggers affect a single square? Cloud of daggers (5 ft. cube) can affect more than one square on a grid, unless the DM says effects snap to the grid. There are many ways to position that cube.

While the Sage Advice article deals with a different spell, the matter is directly related to your question. To wit: "non-snapped" positioning of a spell's area of effect is legal, strictly speaking, though it might not fly with a DM who can house-rule otherwise.

Due to the wording of the spell, if the object (illusion) that you want to create fits within the 5 ft cube, you can use the spell to create it. However, like all interpretations of the rules in D&D, the DM makes the final decision. Especially in this scenario, the DM might decide that the theoretical cube (the size requirement) must be placed flat on the ground or something like that. What I'm trying to say, is that even if the DM allows it, they might not let it work the way that you want.

Good question. I really love that you are using your math to find loopholes in the rules; I'll have to remember to do that myself in the future. Hope this helped!

• Worth a caveat about the math: The main problem with doing math in D&D for these kinds of things is that at least one person (the DM) has to think about, understand and approve your math. Other players might have to at least understand it to know what is going on in the game. Eventually the group as a whole can end up doing quite a lot of math to explain 6 seconds in the game world, and less of the rest of D&D as a result, all to get some marginal benefit out of a low-level effect. This could be fun if enough of you like geometry and trigonometry problems, but it is somewhat niche. Commented Mar 26, 2019 at 7:56
• Yeah, I can see that. Commented Mar 26, 2019 at 10:09

Or your DM can hand you a regular size d6 and a strip of paper a couple feet long and tell you that he's having a bit of trouble envisioning what you're creating.

So you fold it all up and show that it would fit.

And then he tells you that your illusion is of a very folded up wall which, in perfectly RAW-like fashion, literally fits inside the 5x5x5 foot CUBE that the spell defines as it's limits.

(Yeah, some of us DM types are exactly like that!)

The other answers do a great job of covering the RAI perspective. If you'd like to push it further, there's also:

# Rules-lawyer It for Maximum Cheese

The spell description doesn't say the image you create must fit inside of a 5-foot cube. It says it must be "no larger than" a 5 foot cube. Which says it's about putting the total size (or, since we're dealing with a 3-dimensional object, "volume") of a 5-foot cube against the total size (again, volume) of the illusion.

That gives you 125 cubic-feet to work with, so you can do a 7' x 5' wall so long as it's not more than ~3.5' thick. Or make it half an inch thick instead, and you can have a 7' x 425' wall, which is even better and still strictly not larger than a 5-foot cube.

I assume an infinitely large planar image (of zero thickness) would be out, however, as the description at least implies that the illusion is 3-dimensional and based upon some tangible object that you've actually observed in the 3-dimensional world. But if you're good at dividing by very small fractions of units then even taller and longer walls should be possible. It's not like illusory walls need any significant thickness to be effective, and you can probably argue that you've seen some quite flimsy/thin facade walls before.

You should be prepared for your DM to cite this answer to the question "Does “no larger than” imply shapability?" (or something like it) in reply.

At which point you'll have to do some further rules-lawyering to argue that the 5-foot cube constraint isn't describing the area of effect for the spell. You're not being asked to choose an existing area or object to work within or upon; you're told you can create a magical image of any object you like, subject to the constraints that it:

• doesn't create sound, light, smell, or any other sensory effect; and
• is not strictly larger than a 5-foot cube

A tall, long, skinny wall is not volumetrically larger than a 5-foot cube and does not create sensory effects, so it should therefore be allowed.