# When during the casting of a spell with a long casting time do you need the target? [duplicate]

When during a casting of a spell with a long casting time do you actually need the target to be present and valid?

This was brought up because of the question Is there enough time to Planar Bind a creature conjured by a 1-hour-duration spell?

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• – Rubiksmoose May 17 at 14:53
• Ah. Thanks for finding that. I looked and didn't see it. – J. A. Streich May 17 at 15:52
• no worries, it is actually really hard to find. I knew it existed and was looking for it, but I still only found it by sheer luck. – Rubiksmoose May 17 at 15:53

## The End of the Spell?

Targeting for spell casting section reads simply:

A typical spell requires you to pick one or more targets to be affected by the spell's magic. A spell's description tells you whether the spell targets creatures, objects, or a point of origin for an area of effect (described below).

Unless a spell has a perceptible effect, a creature might not know it was targeted by a spell at all. An effect like crackling lightning is obvious, but a more subtle effect, such as an attempt to read a creature's thoughts, typically goes unnoticed, unless a spell says otherwise.

Which doesn't say you can't start casting a spell until the target is present, it could be possible (no rules against this idea at least) that the target only has to be present when the spell finishes.

But, what other support could exist for such an argument? Well, Readied spells.

When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs.

When you Ready a Spell Casting action, you start casting and hold the release of the spell for the trigger. If you don't end up hitting the trigger, you still lose the spell slot. When you ready a spell for a character that has blink or invisible to reappear, you're actually starting to cast the spell and then releasing the spells energy at the target. If there is no target, the spell fizzles and you still lose the slot.

So...

When the spell is released.

• Small but important correction: when you ready a spell you don't start casting it, you completely cast it "as normal". – Rubiksmoose May 17 at 15:01
• You can support the point about readied spells/spells not needing the target in range during casting with this answer – Vigil May 17 at 15:17
• And for support-by-contradition, try Simulacrum, which states the target must be within the spell's range for the entire casting time - implying that wouldn't be true if it weren't explicitly stated. – Vigil May 17 at 15:34