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Character Concept

For a new campaign I had the idea to play a John Wick style build that maximizes the effectiveness of dual-wielded hand crossbows. I want him to be a wise-mouth former mob enforcer running from the law.

Optimising

I want to optimise this character to achieve the maximum number of attacks with Hand Crossbows per turn. I have the following restrictions:

  • Use the standard array for stat generation
  • Optimize for a character ending up at level 10
  • Ensure my character is useful in both close and mid-range combat
  • Have the mobility required to avoid fighting large enemies toe-to-toe
  • Feats and multiclassing are ok
  • Content from any published WotC books is allowed (excluding UA)
  • Can't assume access to any magic items

What race, class levels and feats do I need to take to optimise this build? Additionally, in what order should I take the levels and feats from level 1?

My hope is that my turn could replace an AOE spell through killing/nearly killing several small enemies who're grouped close together.

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    \$\begingroup\$ You might want to try a forum for a question like this - answers are going to be largely opinion-based, and the format of the site encourages questions that have specific answers. \$\endgroup\$ – Dan O'Shea Jun 3 at 3:07
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    \$\begingroup\$ Is dual wielding the crossbows mandatory? Because if so, the answer becomes "you don't" and this question is most likely a duplicate about a previous hand crossbow question. \$\endgroup\$ – Theik Jun 3 at 6:55
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    \$\begingroup\$ Related: Twin hand crossbow Fighter: is this build valid? \$\endgroup\$ – V2Blast Jun 3 at 7:24
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    \$\begingroup\$ Seconding @Theik, it's essentially a net negative to dual-wield hand crossbows for a crossbow specialist. But I'd note that if your inspiration is John Wick, I don't recall him ever fighting two-fisted - his preferred style seems to be using a single pistol or larger weapon, and I wouldn't describe it as anything like gun kata. If your inspiration is John Woo, though... \$\endgroup\$ – Carcer Jun 3 at 11:34
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    \$\begingroup\$ I'd argue dual-weilding is suboptimal, since you need a free hand to reload (seem errata of ammunition property) restricting you to 2 attacks after which you need to drop one of the crossbows to reload. You can get of 3 attacks by level 5, if you choose Crossbow Expert and a class providing you with Extra Attack at that level... \$\endgroup\$ – fabian Jun 3 at 17:43
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Clarification: Only use one hand crossbow because a second actually interferes with itself and allows fewer attacks.

Level 10 Hunter Ranger (or Hunter 8 / Fighter 2)

Start off with a Human; Variant with the Crossbow Expert Feat.
Starting stats: Str 10 - Dex 16 (Human +1) - Con 14 - Int 8 - Wis 14 (Human +1) - Cha 12
Strength, Intelligence, and Charisma are interchangeable. Dexterity is your main stat, so you want that as high as possible. Constitution is useful for staying alive and Wisdom is your casting stat.

Level 1 - Ranger

Depending on how you get your gear, you going to want to get Studded Leather as soon as you can, and a Hand Crossbow (HXB, from now on). It wouldn't hurt to have a Rapier and a Heavy Crossbow on hand, as well.
Attack Counter: 2 HXBor 1 Melee 1 HXB

Level 2 and 3 - Ranger (Hunter)

Hunter path taken and Hordebreaker unlocked. Take the Archery Fighting Style for +2 to hit. This is where the fun starts. You get a free other attack against an adjacent enemy to one of the enemies you attack this round!
Attack Counter: 2 HXB + 1 adjacent or 1HXB + 1 Melee + 1 adjacent Melee

Level 4 - Ranger (Hunter)

Ability Score increase to Dexterity. You're just making yourself better at everything. +1 Damage, +1 Attack, +1 AC.
Attack Counter: 2 HXB + 1 adjacent or 1HXB + 1 Melee + 1 adjacent Melee

Level 5 - Ranger (Hunter)

Extra Attack! And Level 2 Spells, which means Hail of Thorns.
Attack Counter: 3 HXB + 1 adjacent or 1HXB + 2 Melee + 1 adjacent Melee or Hail of Thorns to AoE 1 of your attacks + 3 attack chances

Level 6 - Ranger (Hunter)

Honestly, if you're going to multiclass, you could do it here instead of later (I talk about it in levels 9-10), but you'd delay your Ability Score Increase; level 6 is a snooze level, so I wouldn't blame you.
Attack Counter: 3 HXB + 1 adjacent or 1HXB + 2 Melee + 1 adjacent Melee or Hail of Thorns to AoE 1 of your attacks + 3 attack chances

Level 7 and 8 - Ranger (Hunter)... Feat? or ASI?

  • Sharpshooter has some good bonuses for attacking through cover (including attacking behind other creatures) and at long range, but the big-ticket item here is the damage boost. +10 vs scrubs is huge - on top of your 1d6+4 (average 7).

  • Maxing out your Dex is a great help. +1 to most of the things you're doing in combat (to hit, damage, and AC) makes for a good day.

The choice is yours between pure "kill it" and being ever so slightly more well rounded.

Choices aside, you get one more 2nd-level Spell Slot, which means one more Hail of Thorns.
Attack Counter: 3 HXB + 1 adjacent or 1HXB + 2 Melee + 1 adjacent Melee or Hail of Thorns to AoE 1 of your attacks + 3 attack chances

Level 9 and 10 - A choice.... stay Ranger (Hunter) or dip Fighter or dip Rogue

  • Staying in Ranger (Hunter) gives you access to 3rd level spells at level 9 (i.e. - Conjure Barrage twice per long rest) and gives some features I don't care about (Looking at you, Hide in Plain Site)

  • Taking 1 level in Rogue gives you a few things and let's you still get access to 3rd level spells; mainly, you get Expertise and 1d6 Sneak Attack once a turn. Not a huge boost, but it's something.

  • I'm a sucker for a 2 level dip into Fighter; I love action surge. This would net you another Fighting Style (Protection, probably), Second Wind for a tiny bit of survivability, and Action Surge for another... uh... Action. This would only give you two more attacks once per rest (or whatever you use it for), but it's something.

Attack Counter: 3 HXB + 1 adjacent or 1HXB + 2 Melee + 1 adjacent Melee or Hail of Thorns to AoE 1 of your attacks + 3 attack chances or Conjure Volley.

Additional Notes

  • When fighting a single large enemy, it may be worth it to use Hunters Mark to stack on an extra 1d6 with every hit. However, with multiple smaller enemies, you're likely to have to keep swapping your Mark, which you could just use your bonus action to attack with.

  • level 11, Rangers (Hunter) gain the Multiattack - Volley class feature, which sounds like exactly the goal of this class:

    Volley
    You can use your action to make a ranged attack against any number of creatures within 10 feet of a point you can see within your weapon's range. You must have ammunition for each target, as normal, and you make a separate attack roll for each target.


Honorable Mentions

Bard

Level 6 Lore Bard gets access to Hail of Thorns via Magical Secrets, and six times! Take 3 levels in Hunter for the Horde Breaker feature or 2 levels in Fighter for Action Surge.

Or Level 10 Valor Bard also gets access to an extra attack, Magical Secrets (Hail of Thorns! or Conjure Volley. Why not both?)

The only problem is how long it takes for these builds to "come online".

Fighter

Fighters get the most attacks, so this seems like an ideal choice. But with the level 10 restriction, we don't get much bonus over other martial classes.

Eldritch Knight is appealing for the handful of spell options; you could combine it with Hunter 3 for Hordebreaker for some fun combinations with Warmagic (Green Flame Blade works with ranged weapons within 5 ft.... because of reasons). The main reason this is rejected is because it doesn't feel on theme with what you want.

I wanted Battlemaster to work, but most of the Martial moves implement Melee Attacks.

War Cleric 2 / Hunter 8

Ranger and Cleric use the same Ability Score and you can upgrade to a Heavy Crossbow instead of a Hand Crossbow 5 times per long rest. One use of Guided Strike per rest to give you a +10 that attack that really has to hit. A couple extra healing slots never hurt anyone.

Again, I like this build, but it doesn't seem on theme with what you want.


Rejects

Warlock + Anything

I wanted this to work pretty badly (See here for an amazing breakdown of what a Warlock and a Hand Crossbow can accomplish). And I think that Pact of the Blade Hexblade Warlock 12 / Hunter 3 is pretty scary. 2 Attacks with +10 damage from Life Drinker and the bonus attack from Crossbow Expert AND the Hordebreaker from Hunter 3... alas, level 15 is not level 10 and there's not much value in Warlock 7 / Hunter 3.

That, and it requires a magical Hand Crossbow... Which can theoretically be loopholed with a multiclassed sorcerer willing to extend Magic Weapon, but I digress.

Barbarian

Doesn't play nice with dex-based ranged weapons.

Paladin

Paladin is a tank, or a nuker. Not a lot of synergy with spreading your damage around.

Rogue

Rogues do not get enough attacks to make this class super useful on its own.

Arcane Archer

Requires Shortbows or Longbows.

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