This question was brought up in my intense scheming against a D&D boss my DM created in my off-hours. I'm playing a druid, so I was thinking of all the broken ways I could use my spells. Then it hit me that I could take feats.

The Magic Initiate feat (PHB, p. 168) says:

Choose a class: [...] sorcerer, warlock, or wizard. You learn two cantrips of your choice from that class's spell list. [...] Your spellcasting ability for these spells depends on the class you chose: Charisma for bard, sorcerer, or warlock; Wisdom for cleric or druid: or Intelligence for wizard.

I include only this part because if I take the Booming Blade cantrip and use it on my already concentration spell Flame Blade, which modifier do I use?

Booming Blade (SCAG, p. 142) states that:

As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon against one creature [...]

Since it says to make a melee attack with a weapon and I am using Flame Blade, does that use my Wisdom mod since I'm a Druid, or Charisma (for Sorcerer/Warlock) or Int (for Wizards) depending on which class I choose for the Magic Initiate feat?


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Flame Blade cannot be used with Booming Blade

Although diegetically the Flame Blade spell gives you a flaming weapon, you cannot use it for ordinary weapon attacks like what Booming Blade requires. The Flame Blade spell only gives you the ability to make Melee Spell Attacks with your action, dealing the amount of damage specified by the spell.

You evoke a fiery blade in your free hand. The blade is similar in size and shape to a scimitar, and it lasts for the duration. If you let go of the blade, it disappears, but you can evoke the blade again as a bonus action.

You can use your action to make a melee spell attack with the fiery blade. On a hit, the target takes 3d6 fire damage.

Flame Blade, Player's Handbook, pg. 242

This is in contrast to a spell like Shadow Blade, which does yield a weapon that can then be used with Booming Blade or Green Flame Blade, because the weapon provided by that spell is, for all mechanical purposes, a proper weapon.

You weave together threads of shadow to create a sword of solidified gloom in your hand. This magic sword lasts until the spell ends. It counts as a simple melee weapon with which you are proficient. It deals 2d8 psychic damage on a hit and has the finesse, light, and thrown properties (range 20/60).

Shadow Blade, Xanathar's Guide to Everything, pg. 164

"But what if my DM is super nice to me and lets me do this?"

If it were possible to use Flame Blade with Booming Blade, as a consequence of DM houserules, you would make a Melee Spell Attack using the Spellcasting ability associated with Flame Blade, which as a Druid spell, is Wisdom, and then add the Booming Blade effects on top of the Flame Blade damage. This is because Booming Blade calls for the user to make a normal melee attack with their held weapon, and uses all the normal rules for an attack made with that weapon. Since Flame Blade's action uses a Melee Spell Attack, you'd have to translate that to its use with Booming Blade.

Conversely, if you were to use a spell like Green Flame Blade, obtained as a Wizard spell, with your Flame Blade, you'd have the strange (but mechanically solvent) situation where Wisdom is used as the Ability modifier for the Attack Roll, and then Intelligence is used as the Damage Bonus on the secondary effect of Green Flame Blade.

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    \$\begingroup\$ @Rykara Except that we're specifically describing the scenario where the user is using Flame Blade as their weapon, which ordinarily calls for a Melee Spell Attack and would use Wisdom. Using Dexterity or Strength would imply the Flame Blade has statistics as an actual weapon, which it does not. Granted, this cannot happen Rules-As-Written, so talking about what should or should not happen is kind of a trap, but this is my best approximation of what should happen if the DM bends the rules like this. \$\endgroup\$
    – Xirema
    Jun 25, 2019 at 16:40

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