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Our party disguised ourselves as merchants, but when the enemy appeared and we attacked them, the DM just said, "Roll for initiative."

Is there a surprise round in D&D 5e like there was in previous editions like 3e?

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There is still certainly "surprise", though not quite a "surprise round".

See the surprise rules.

It is generally up to the DM whether there is a chance that one side (or some of the combatants) may be surprised.

The rules given are keyed towards one side being stealthy (rather than disguised) and so it becomes a Dex(Stealth) check vs a Wis(Perception) check. Initiatives are still rolled for everyone, but anyone surprised is unable to take actions on their first turn of combat.

For your disguise tactic, a DM might shake things up and ask for the party members to make Cha(Deception) checks vs a Wis(Perception or Insight) check of the enemy in order to determine surprise instead. But this would be up to the DM and veers away slightly from the surprise rules exactly as written.

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  • \$\begingroup\$ I think it worth noting that even though 5e doesn't have an explicit "surprise round" mechanic, it's still common to informally refer to the first round of a combat in which some creatures are surprised as the surprise round. \$\endgroup\$
    – Ryan C. Thompson
    Jul 1, 2019 at 23:33
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    \$\begingroup\$ @RyanThompson I am not so sure... the way that surprise works in 5e as opposed to 3.X/PF is that it is very near a condition to the character instead of a separate round mechanic. I agree that we were in the habit of referring to it as a surprise round at my table until we understood the distinction. \$\endgroup\$
    – Slagmoth
    Jul 2, 2019 at 11:39
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    \$\begingroup\$ @Slagmoth Yeah, calling it a "surprise round" is technically incorrect, but it's still common, probably because people are used to the terminology from previous editions. This might explain why the asker is confused about whether or not there is a surprise round in 5e. \$\endgroup\$
    – Ryan C. Thompson
    Jul 2, 2019 at 14:45
  • \$\begingroup\$ @RyanThompson The best way to help players of older editions to understand surprise in 5e is to tell them, time and again, that there is no surprise round in 5e: surprise works differently in this edition, so cast away your old notions and read, understand and embed the new ones. \$\endgroup\$
    – Clearly Toughpick
    Jul 4, 2019 at 5:29
  • \$\begingroup\$ We call that first round of every combat "The round wherein one may be surprised" \$\endgroup\$
    – Vittorio Carano
    Jan 27, 2020 at 21:22
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There is no surprise round in 5th edition. Instead, everyone who did not recognize that there was a threat is "Surprised" until the end of their first turn, and they are unable to take any actions at all until they have taken their first turn. Additionally, the creature is unable to take any reactions (such as opportunity attacks) until the end of their first turn.

This means it's possible for an enemy who rolls well on initiative to go first, doing absolutely nothing other than ending their "Surprised" condition. This enemy can now take reactions as normal.

As G. Moylan mentioned in a comment, surprise is determined by the GM and not the players. While players certainly can influence the chances to cause surprise (or to avoid being surprised), it's still up to the GM whether that actually happens or not.

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    \$\begingroup\$ it might be useful to point out that Surprise is determined by the DM and is not guaranteed \$\endgroup\$
    – Lauren Moylan
    Jul 1, 2019 at 19:30
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It doesn't work like that

Surprise round doesn't exist in D&D 5e. It's called a Surprised Condition. According to the official rules:

Any character or monster that doesn't notice a threat is surprised at the start of the encounter.

That states that it is a condition rather than a "round".

The GM compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side.

That means that if you want to surprise a target you must attack them stealthily and the DM will have to check if all targets fail the Passive Wisdom.

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    \$\begingroup\$ "Surprised" is not a condition, strictly speaking. \$\endgroup\$
    – Mark Wells
    Jul 1, 2019 at 19:33
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    \$\begingroup\$ @MarkWells regarding plain English, which is what matters, it certainly is a condition. It is however not part of the Appendix A. (PHB 290-292). \$\endgroup\$
    – Akixkisu is on Strike
    Jul 1, 2019 at 19:51
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    \$\begingroup\$ It does, actually rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/129059 \$\endgroup\$
    – enkryptor
    Jul 1, 2019 at 20:06
  • \$\begingroup\$ also rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/79335 \$\endgroup\$
    – enkryptor
    Jul 1, 2019 at 20:07
  • \$\begingroup\$ If the DM decides that a monster is surprised then it's surprised, no rules can disallow a DM to do something, obviously. My answer is from a ruling standpoint. The creatures will not be surprised no matter what if their Passive Perception is higher than the Dexterity roll of the characters. Another thing is that if they are disguised as merchants, that doesn't change anything to the battle mechanics. A creature still exists in the eyes of the enemy and if the enemy is wise enough to notice the attack before it actually happens then he will be saved. \$\endgroup\$
    – iaminsensible
    Jul 1, 2019 at 20:16

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