I have a rough understanding of how to calculate expected challenge rating, but I'm not sure how it works in the case of the innate spellcasting dragons variant.

Consider an Ancient Gold Dragon:

Without innate spellcasting, an Ancient Gold Dragon is CR 24. By my calculations, it has a Defensive Challenge Rating of 25, meaning its Offensive Challenge Rating must be 23 to average out to 24. At CR 24, if you used the innate spellcasting variant, it could learn up to level 8 spells. However, depending on which spells it has, that might raise its CR. In order to be eligible to learn level 9 spells, it would need to be CR 27. One way to do this would be to increase its OCR to 29, which corresponds to average damage of 267 per round for three rounds (after accounting for the dragon's higher than average spell save DC).

I don't know if that's possible, but let's say it is. That would bump the dragon up to CR 27. Would it then be possible for the dragon to learn level 9 spells?


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According to "Step 13. Special Traits" under the "Creating a Monster Stat Block" heading on DMG p. 278:

The impact that the Innate Spellcasting and Spellcasting special traits have on a monster's challenge rating depends on the spells that the monster can cast. Spells that deal more damage than the monster's normal attack routine and spells that increase the monster's AC or hit points need to be accounted for when determining the monster's final challenge rating.

Depending on what spells you would choose, they would have an effect on the monster's final CR. The dragon would be able to cast level 9 spells if the chosen spells raised its CR to 27 as per variant dragon inner spellcasting trait.

  • \$\begingroup\$ How would you calculate the impact of spells that remove an opponent from combat and/or add an ally? (Eg, dominate monster - turn one enemy into an ally) \$\endgroup\$ Jan 15, 2020 at 2:08
  • \$\begingroup\$ @EttinaKitten I don't think there is any official guidance for that but you should make it a separate question here. \$\endgroup\$
    – Deeps
    Jan 15, 2020 at 13:36

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