6
\$\begingroup\$

I found this question on poisoned arrows and the Monk's deflect missiles ability.

What I'm wondering about is slightly different. The Assassin has poisoned weapons which do half damage if the target passes a constitution saving throw. The question I linked to above concluded that you need to factor in the poison damage for deflect missiles as the rules state is for all of the damage dealt by the missile. But the Assassin's poisoned weapons calls for a saving throw which, I'd expect, only apply if the crossbow bolt actually hits. Does the monk need to make a CON save against the poison before determining whether they managed to deflect the bolt and not take any damage at all? It seems counter-intuitive to me to require it since the CON save should only occur if the crossbow bolt manages to hit the monk. Otherwise they are making a CON save for poison that doesn't actually hit them.

\$\endgroup\$
8
\$\begingroup\$

The poison damage always applies

This is due to two reasons:

  1. The piercing damage and the poison damage both occur on hit. They are separate, but simultaneous. The fact that one is affected by a saving throw does not change this (all this means is that the saving throw must be rolled before the total damage can be determined). So the ordering goes: a. you are hit by a missile b. either before or after the damage is determined you decide to catch it c. you reduce the total damage of the missile by your Catch Missile result. d. If the total damage is now 0 and you have a free hand, you may now catch (and potentially throw) it.
  2. Deflect Missiles doesn't turn a hit into a non-hit. It just reduces the damage of a projectile attack and allows you to catch the projectile if your reduce the damage to 0. It still hits you, so all of its on hit effects still apply regardless of whether you catch it or not (for instance, if instead of dealing poison damage it paralyzed you on hit you'd be paralyzed even if you did catch the missile - this is very counterintuitive, but it is how the feature is worded). Reducing the damage to 0 just means you can keep the missile in your hand, and you can throw it if you want to and have a Ki point left over.

On that last note about this being counterintuitive: I'd absolutely encourage you to houserule this to work differently, because on-hit effects not applying when the missile is caught would in my opinion be more intuitive and probably more fun for the monk. The answer above is based on how I read the RAW, it is not a recommendation for how to rule this in game.

\$\endgroup\$
  • \$\begingroup\$ Your last comment really highlights the main problem I have with the RAW. You make a CON save for poison that won't even hurt you if you manage to deflect the missile. \$\endgroup\$ – Allan Mills Oct 26 at 22:37
  • \$\begingroup\$ @AllanMills Ah, but the poison will hurt you. Also, you'll probably not manage to catch the missile because the missile being poisoned makes it harder to catch. \$\endgroup\$ – Cubic Oct 29 at 9:50

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.